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steppen22
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: could I restrict it myself to 33bhp? Reply with quote

What's involved, what needs to be done, etc. No bike in particualr: restriction in general.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you can.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbs or EFI? Carbs are allegedly quite easy to do with a little know how, as for EFI most bikes will have a USB cable which can be hooked up to the bike (from godknowswhere), get a program from godknowswhere and then remap the engine. Probably best to leave this to professionals unless you have the exact upgrade to remap the engine without screwing it up.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muzza wrote:
for EFI most bikes will have a USB cable which can be hooked up to the bike


I wouldn't say /most/ bikes. I'd say one or two. Triumphs, some Aprilias, some Benellis. That would be it, and even then I don't think there is enough scope in the mapping to enable you to limit the bike to 33bhp.

The maps on the Sagem injection systems on most Triumphs are limited by a kind of tolerance setting. This means you can't totally screw up the mapping, but it also means you can't remove 66% + power.

What you can do however is dangerous stuff like the ignition advance and rev limit. Like totally removing the rev limit. *Bang*.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bad then. Read up a bit when I was getting my bike restricted and got the impression that was the restriction method on "most" EFI systems. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be done electronically on most bikes, though depends how good you are with electronics TBH.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its a carbed bike it'd usually be a set of washers that restrict the fuel flow. If you can get hold of the sizes for the washers you'd be able to put them in yourself.
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 23 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could make yourself a throttle stop if it's fuel injected. Make it so its the opposite of an idle adjuster. In other words; you can adjust the amount of throttle opening.

Take the bike to a dyno center and stick it on. Adjust to 33bhp. Then you should weld the adjuster in place so it can't be moved.

Job done I would say.

PS. What bike is it specifically?
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 23 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muzza wrote:
My bad then. Read up a bit when I was getting my bike restricted and got the impression that was the restriction method on "most" EFI systems. Embarassed


The TT600 33bhp restrictor is merely a throttle stop which prevents you from fully opening the throttle.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 23 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My theory on restriction goes thus:

Get an "inline" rev limiter unit that intercepts signals from CDI, ECU (most likey easier on oldy bikes) etc etc

Get bike dynoed and find limit for 33bhp and set aftermarket rev limiter to this limit.

With the rev limiter switched out of the ignition circuit one can ride ones bike like the the firebreathing beast it is (or isnt).

If pulled discreetly flick switch over to have the "rev interceptor" in the ignition circuit.

LICE: "Is this restricted??"

ME: "Yes officer it is" *starts bike and bounces of say 5k rev limit* "See its got a rev limiter"

https://i44.tinypic.com/2uzf61i.gif

(Adapt circuit for particular bike, just an example)

Interesting point, on the assumption that the police pull you over at feasible 33bhp speeds say 80mph and they decide just for laughs to strip the bike by the roadside and find the limiter switch. (Copper is also a expert auto electrician Wink )

When confronted about the switch they would have to prove the limiter was turned off to prosecute you right?

You wouldnt have to prove the limiter was turned on.


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PostPosted: 15:24 - 23 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only see that causing the bike to handle horribly to be honest.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 23 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How come?

You only have the revs restricted when the coppers are nearby, anytime else you ride full power!

Even after you pull away from the coppers just take it easy for a little bit before switching back to full power and your off.

If thats how a throttle stop works, kinda by restricting the throttle opening so max revs (yes I know not always that simple), and rev limiter is like an electric throttle stop that can be turned on and off whenever needed!



EDIT: Yes it may not work for some bikes that make say 100+hp at max revs, but for less powerful bikes that can be ridden using low revs, say an SV650, it should work.


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PostPosted: 18:40 - 23 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bittern wrote:
How come?

You only have the revs restricted when the coppers are nearby, anytime else you ride full power!

Even after you pull away from the coppers just take it easy for a little bit before switching back to full power and your off.

If thats how a throttle stop works, kinda by restricting the throttle opening so max revs (yes I know not always that simple), and rev limiter is like an electric throttle stop that can be turned on and off whenever needed!

Rich

EDIT: Yes it may not work for some bikes that make say 100+hp at max revs, but for less powerful bikes that can be ridden using low revs, say an SV650, it should work.


Good idea, but difficult to implement.

I'd rather get an MZ and tune it to 33bhp! Wink
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 23 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, heres another one, say on a CB500, parrallel twin, 50 odd brake and massive underseat storage, you install a long HT lead to one cylinder and route it under the seat and kep a pair of snips in there.

Pulled and the police say they're taking it to check, you ask if you can retrieve your wallet/family mementos/pet lizard from beneath the seat and discretely cut the HT lead, meaning it's running on one, and probably putting out about 20 brake.

Mind you, you now have a sparking HT lead next to your frame, and very close to your petrol tank, but thats the police dyno operators problem Wink


....or

on a 600 sportsbike say, you see the blues and quickly so cut through your throttle cables and turn the idle up to full, yes officer this is how I always ride it.

OK so that wouldnt work, but I love the image of you waving at the police as you creep away slipping the clutch with a constant 4k RPM
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

piece of drainpipe cut to length and glued to the carb top would do it. Prevent the throttle from opening fully.

Also you could alter your throttle assembly on the bar, preventing the throttle from opening fully. That would work on pretty much anything, but be more noticable.
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