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PostPosted: 13:44 - 01 Feb 2009    Post subject: An update on the zxr, not revving past 7k Reply with quote

Hi guys. Sorry to keep bangin on about this but would like to post an update in a new thread as the problem seems to be different to what previously thought.

Bike won't rev past 7k essentially it starts miss-firing and sounds like it starts running on 3/2 cylinders but it's varible sometimes it's 5k and sometimes its 8k. Occasionally it's been 2k. Seems to happen more when wet out but happens when bone dry also(like today).

I've now done the following.
Change HT leads and coils (but not the caps though they are in superb condition the fact i'm getting quoted £25 each is stopping me trying this)
New spark plugs.
Different igniter(cdi)
Charged battery.
Overhauled the carbs fully cleaned all jets and went back to factory default size jets and reset float height as per manual and reinstalled stanard needles to start with blank slate. Check carb diaphragms for splits etc also.
Contact cleaned and checked all wires to do with ignition etc.

Only things I've got on my list now are carb inlet boots and timing rotor and associated pickup coil on that.

Absolutely crazy and there must be a simple problem here somewhere.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 01 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
can you explain more. ie

you start the bike, does it idle ok, do all the down pipes get hot.

then rev it really slowly opening the throttle, what happens when you reach 7k, does it just stop? or sound like it want to go higher but coughs and splutters?


It will start and idle absolutely fine.
Mid throttle and cruising is superb (unless the problem occours at 2k then its a pain)
But when it revs to where the problem is (say 7k today) it's essentially like it's hitting the limiter, backfires, flames and splutters.

So it's either too rich mixture(carbs have been refurbed only yesterday back to factory jetting and exhaust also)

Or a weak spark/igniton system.

Surely?
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 01 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
hmm.. ineresting

if its shooting flames out the exhaust, that means theres fuel getting through and igniting inside the hot exhaust. my guess would be check th ignition first, if your feeling brave, take one spark plug out, start it, with the sprak plug grounded outside the cylinder, and see what happens with the spart when you hit 7k.


Very good point. Hadn't actually thought of that. Will give it a go.

Won't be for a while though, .

Well long story short went to replace the oil pickup/line that's been leaking and sheared the bolt on the oil line. Fooked, annoyed and upset as its stuck in the crankcasing now.

Trying to see what options I got re this for the moment.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 01 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also might be worth making sure that all the earth points are clean and tight.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 02 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

not a reg/rec is it? Causing crazy electrical faults?

Rev up to 5k and put a meter across the output to the battery to check. Also check the battery voltage when revving incase it's goosed the battery too but i doubt it.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 02 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

thefallenangel wrote:
not a reg/rec is it? Causing crazy electrical faults?

Rev up to 5k and put a meter across the output to the battery to check. Also check the battery voltage when revving incase it's goosed the battery too but i doubt it.


Possibly. At this stage I'm pretty much open to any suggestion. I do feel that if not serious engine/valvetrain issues then this is almost definitely electrical or related to electrics.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 02 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

4Stroke wrote:
thefallenangel wrote:
not a reg/rec is it? Causing crazy electrical faults?

Rev up to 5k and put a meter across the output to the battery to check. Also check the battery voltage when revving incase it's goosed the battery too but i doubt it.


Possibly. At this stage I'm pretty much open to any suggestion. I do feel that if not serious engine/valvetrain issues then this is almost definitely electrical or related to electrics.


SV reg/rec's cause all sorts of haywire faults. But it's pretty simple to look for if you got a multimeter (£15 for a simple draper one which works for this) See the voltage out of the rectifier and if it's goosed check the alternator out put (needs to be balanced between the 3 outputs 1 to 2, 2to 3 and 1 to 3. need to be roughly the same).

I'd go for the electrical fault as it's easier to repair too and cheaper than stripping an engine.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 03 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took it out for a spin when the snow cleared just to get a feel for what its like again and under load when reving it definitely missfires on 1 or more. If you rev it freely then it will almost redline and rev higher than when under load.

Weak spark/ignition fault surely?
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 03 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
its an ignition / fueling problem

btw, how did you get it to rev past 7k ?

did you try my take the spark plug out test?


I've not yet no, haven't had time to tinker just give it a whirl.

It'll rev to 9,10k occasionaly more when neutral or clutch in but under load its just misfiring and stuttering as it revs up to 7ish then almost hits a ceiling where it won't rev beyond that.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 03 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds ignition related,either your timing not advancing or a faulty coil pack.

Check your pulse generator coil fixings and trace the wires back to the coils.


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PostPosted: 18:26 - 03 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh one of tje few things left on my list is pickup coil/timing rotor.

I've contact cleaned wires runing to pickup coil and I do have a spare on my other zxr but I can see it as being plug and play swap though admittedly haven't had a good look yet.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right last night I spent from 8 till 12 on it.
I checked the plugs and revved it an the spark timing seemed to increase dramatically with the engine revs.

The spark also seemed to remain 'in time' with the engine note if that makes sense.

I checked out the fuel pump and fuel pump relay, pump seems to be working ok, tried another rely.

Found a load of wires and block connectors under the airbox near the startor and engine earth my haynes doesn't seem to mention, some of which were corroded so sorted them out.

Yet it's still exactly the same... Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were the earths on battery, frame and engine all clean and tight - no dodgy looking wires?
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveHogg wrote:
Were the earths on battery, frame and engine all clean and tight - no dodgy looking wires?


One on the frame looks fine.
One on the engine I couldn't really see since lighting was very poor.
Will check that out further tonight.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone in the devon/somerset area who could meet up to perhaps shed some light on this?

Maybe an outside opinion could work wonders very least I may be missing something but being too invovled.
Crate of bear? bottle of wine?

Just be grateful for a second opinion.
If not I'm going to see if I can live with it till next month then take it to someone once I have a little more cash.

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PostPosted: 20:44 - 09 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok guys, a hopefully final update on this.

If we look back about when I first posted an issue with this the problem was misfiring and stuttering and reall running issues when it was wet and damp out.

As progress went on and I started delving deeper and swapping bits out and refurbing bits the problem kind of morphed into the OP above.

A final update... The initial issue of nasty running problems in the wet seems to have been solved, hell I rode it in todays downpour 25 miles and it didn't miss a beat.

Secondly the problem posted above was likely my own fault as I rebuilt the carbs in a vain attempt to eliminate them from the equation I didn't do two of the main jets back up (as I rejetted back to factory) so as a result of pulling the carbs again today I found two main jets rolling around the float bowls.

Screwed them back in the emulsion tubes and she's running great through-out.

Also I have hopefully eliminated the original issue as I have pretty much swapped out everything electrical and as I said earlier rode today in the down pour and was magic.

Big thanks to all who helped and the patience you guys had with me also.

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PostPosted: 20:55 - 09 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good news and well done Thumbs Up Karma
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