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 Posted: 20:06 - 28 Feb 2009 Post subject: Heart warming tale, of crims picking on the wrong guy. |
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I sometimes hear tales of crime, from a friend of mine who is a policeman.
Apparently, for a while, a gang of thieves, have been preying on lorry drivers who are parked up to sleep. They beat up the driver, and steal the waggon and load. Obviously sometimes the load is worth very little, but sometimes its worth a lot.
Recently however, they picked on the wrong lorry driver. He apparently got a knife off one of them, and stabbed 3 of his 4 attackers.
They managed to escape, and were spotted on the motorway by people, as there was so much blood. Eventually they decided to take the one who was more seriously wounded to the hospital, but he ended up dieing of his wounds.
The Greek lorry driver, rang the police and described the events, and for his trouble he is now being charged with murder, but my policeman friend thinks that as he is a national hero, this probably wont stick.
I googled, and found a bit about it on bbc news site
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/7911823.stm ____________________ colin1 is officially faster than god |
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Thats ridiculous being charged with murder acting in self defence....
But I think you are right in that he will get off much like the Pakistani news agent guy who got the knife off an attacker and stabbed him in the neck, robber ran off but bled to death. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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There you go, classic case from this nazi toilet of a country. Man defends himself against four knife-weilding attackers and is arrested for 'murder'.
If ONE had a knife it's entirely reasonable to assume ALL of them had a knife, in the heat of the moment, and go at them all like billy-ho. That is entirely reasonable and justifiable.
"Oh, I'm so sorry officers, I should have backed off a bit as the four of them were coming at me, to see clearly if they all had knives. You know, let them get in nice and close, give them plenty of openings and lose my position, just to be sure..."
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We need much more of this,personal initiative that is,every one taking care of there own issues before long government would shrink to a no thing as there would be nothing to "look after".
I see it coming do you? How far can they push it,Southampton for instance just had the green light to fluoridate water,only 72% of people said no according to the government and an independent phone vote records 92% saying no..yet its still passed on nothing more than the decision of a very gormless few sitting on a board..
Mass no payment of water bill until poison is removed?Oh lets hope so man has the right to live without being stabbed and clean drinking water people-i hope this guy gets what he fucking deserves!
Compensation...just think of it..the judge to pass sentence..what would he have done?Fucking died most likely..different story then aye.  |
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Hi
He hasn't been charged with murder (if he had then the police would no longer be able to question him about it). He has been "arrested on suspicion of murder", which is very different and given that some people have died it is probably the right thing to do.
If he is charged with murder then I suspect it would be the best thing that could happen. Manslaughter he could reasonably be seen as guilty of but suspect most people would throw a murder charge out rapidly.
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I always get confused by this sort of thing, as I thought 'murder' had to be premeditated, whereas this sounds more like 'manslaughter' being an accidental death as a result of self-defence.
If you're asleep in your cab and get sprung by 4 knife wielding hoodlums, how can you be under suspicion of 'murder'? Did he use his own knife that he had for 'just in case'? The Norfolk Farmer was charged with murder and found guilty, because he didn't let the kiddies leave and shot them with gun he had ready for such incidents, so not sure how the poor guy will get on tbh.
Not being able to defend yourself is a big concern that many people have these days - I really don't think asking them nicely to go away was going to do the trick, was it and why should he be an that situation in the first place? Unfortunately, there isn't much scope for plain old common sense in law.  ____________________ 'The core of a man's spirit comes from new experiences'
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| Hetzer wrote: | There you go, classic case from this nazi toilet of a country. Man defends himself against four knife-weilding attackers and is arrested for 'murder'.
If ONE had a knife it's entirely reasonable to assume ALL of them had a knife, in the heat of the moment, and go at them all like billy-ho. That is entirely reasonable and justifiable.
"Oh, I'm so sorry officers, I should have backed off a bit as the four of them were coming at me, to see clearly if they all had knives. You know, let them get in nice and close, give them plenty of openings and lose my position, just to be sure..."
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actually the police consider him a hero, but they still have to do their job and charge him with murder under our system
you will tend to find that many police are more in favour of self-defence and even unofficially in favour of vigilantism, than your average citizen ____________________ colin1 is officially faster than god |
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Riiight so does anybody know where colin lives? , I'll pretend to enter the house and somebody can wait by a window and chloraform him and we can hand cuff him to a lamp post or something. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 228 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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