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Robert711
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Speedfight needs full throttle to move????? Reply with quote

I have a 2000 50cc liquid cooled speedfight which has had a sports exhaust, 80 jet, 70cc bore kit and a new sports air filter. I have just had the engine rebuilt and since then when its running I have to give it full throttle to get it moving and keep the throttle full and it wont do more than 30 mph. I have checked the clutch and that seems to be fine. On tick over it runs really well, I am completley lost now and am hoping for some pointers. Thanks, Rob
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

just replaced the 80 jet for the 72 that was in it and cleaned the carb out but it has made the problem worse than it was before.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jet size is way to low mate you'll seize your engine, what air filter do you have, Im running on the blue polini sponge and am using a size 105 jet with my setup on a gilera storm, try a 100 jet in yours or something similar.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure of the make of filter but it is 1 of the k&n ones, I will see if I can get 1 for tomorrow and see what happens cheers for the advice.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing This makes me laugh, i will get in there before anyone else does.

Its a 50cc scooter, its not gonna go much faster.

But for giggles, get a bigger jet.

Oh and you havent tried to clean your air filter by any chance?
Or has the new engine been run-in yet?
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a new air filter and the engine has not been run in yet cant get it to run well enough to try yet. Before the new barrel and piston were put on I was getting about 60 - 65mph so thats why I am wondering why it is slow.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert711 wrote:
It is a new air filter and the engine has not been run in yet cant get it to run well enough to try yet. Before the new barrel and piston were put on I was getting about 60 - 65mph so thats why I am wondering why it is slow.


I would not start hammering a new engine, keep it slow, it will free itself up after a while. If you start hammering it, you could cause some serious problems.
Try leaving it on tick-over for a while. Look on the internet on how to run-in an engine. You usually cant just ride it.

It just sounds like the engine needs running in.
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the thing, to get it to even move I need to use full throttle so hopefully the advice will help and make it possible for me to run it in lol. Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like is said, try leaving it on tick-over for a while.
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did have it running for about an hour but had to turn it off cos the temp gauge was way too high and didnt want to weld the piston to the barrel lol
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there enough 2t oil getting to the piston?

Seems strange for it to get too hot.
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put 2 caps full into the fuel tank and the oil is going through the inline filter so I would imagine it is getting to the cylinder. Is there an easy way to make sure?
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

No that should be enough tbh.

You could check by pulling the oil feed pipe out and see if the oil is flowing, but that would be a arse on.

If in doubt, drain your oil tank and just use a pre-mix in your fuel tank for now.
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PostPosted: 01:22 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the engine was taken off the oil wa flowing well so needed to be plugged and when the plug was removed it started to run again so seems to be fine!
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PostPosted: 07:27 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cal91 wrote:
You usually cant just ride it.


Yes you can Rolling Eyes

cal91 wrote:
Is there enough 2t oil getting to the piston?

Seems strange for it to get too hot.


How does it seem strange it gets hot? Confused Of course if you leave a bike ticking over for ages and the radiator is not fan assisted, the temperature will just keep climbing.

To the OP, have you tried adjusting the needle height? After all, it's free to do.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do you adjust the needle? I have not really had the carb in too many bits so not too sure exactly how it works.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://home.wanadoo.nl/xavira/carbmc/carb_needle.jpg

By moving the circlip down the needle, it raises the needle up and creates a richer mixture.

You will have to remove the slide to get to it.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers will try that in a bit just need a coffee to wake up lol Laughing I take it that it only needs to be moved a mm or so?
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert711 wrote:
cheers will try that in a bit just need a coffee to wake up lol Laughing I take it that it only needs to be moved a mm or so?


There are notches on the needle, move the clip down 1 notch at a time and check the results.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even easier lol cant really go wrong (I hope ) Confused
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
cal91 wrote:
You usually cant just ride it.


Yes you can Rolling Eyes

cal91 wrote:
Is there enough 2t oil getting to the piston?

Seems strange for it to get too hot.


How does it seem strange it gets hot? Confused Of course if you leave a bike ticking over for ages and the radiator is not fan assisted, the temperature will just keep climbing.


You might just get on a new engine and ride it, but I know i wouldnt be. A 50cc scooter needs to be hammed just to get it up to the speed limit, and you aint gonna stay at 20mph are you?
Its best you dont, a new engine is very fragile untill its been run-in.

Yes, it will get hotter when stood still on tick over, but not so hot you need to turn it off!
If that was the case, every fucking scooter in a city traffic jam would be over heating.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cal91 wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:
Yes you can Rolling Eyes

cal91 wrote:
Is there enough 2t oil getting to the piston?

Seems strange for it to get too hot.


How does it seem strange it gets hot? Confused Of course if you leave a bike ticking over for ages and the radiator is not fan assisted, the temperature will just keep climbing.


You might just get on a new engine and ride it, but I know i wouldnt be. A 50cc scooter needs to be hammed just to get it up to the speed limit, and you aint gonna stay at 20mph are you?
Its best you dont, a new engine is very fragile untill its been run-in.

Yes, it will get hotter when stood still on tick over, but not so hot you need to turn it off!
If that was the case, every fucking scooter in a city traffic jam would be over heating.


How do you think people run in 50cc scooters when they buy them brand new from a shop? Leave them ticking over for ages before they set off on the ride home? I think not. They rev the tits off them and forget about it. Yes, it's not ideal for the engine
(or is it?) but what else is there to do?

Why would every scooter in city centre traffic overheat? For one, they are not being run for prolonged periods of time sat in traffic, it's a scooter, they're rarely stopped when on the move. Also, as this is a liquid cooled scooter it is more prone to overheating (especially when there is no fan to cut in and keep the engine cool if it starts to get really hot) than an air cooled scooters as air cooled scooters are cooled via a fan that is connected directly to the crank thus always having a flow of air when stationary.

What did you think fans were for on liquid cooled bikes? Fun? No, it's to keep the engine cool when the temperature starts to climb up.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

80 main jet seems small for a 70 kitted bike with a "race" exhaust.

I'd go up a few jet sizes and go from there. Seems like its running VERY lean.





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PostPosted: 21:20 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:


How do you think people run in 50cc scooters when they buy them brand new from a shop? Leave them ticking over for ages before they set off on the ride home? I think not. They rev the tits off them and forget about it. Yes, it's not ideal for the engine
(or is it?) but what else is there to do?

Why would every scooter in city centre traffic overheat? For one, they are not being run for prolonged periods of time sat in traffic, it's a scooter, they're rarely stopped when on the move. Also, as this is a liquid cooled scooter it is more prone to overheating (especially when there is no fan to cut in and keep the engine cool if it starts to get really hot) than an air cooled scooters as air cooled scooters are cooled via a fan that is connected directly to the crank thus always having a flow of air when stationary.

What did you think fans were for on liquid cooled bikes? Fun? No, it's to keep the engine cool when the temperature starts to climb up.


Yeah actually, i thought they were there to make a funny noise and increase the air speed around the bike for better acceleration.

When bikes come out the factory they have already been run for a while, and they get primed before first start up. I dont know if you have thought of this, but the bikes already have been used before bought, they get tested you know? So that kind of cuts out the first part of the running in process doesnt it?
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 11 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cal91 wrote:

When bikes come out the factory they have already been run for a while, and they get primed before first start up. I dont know if you have thought of this, but the bikes already have been used before bought, they get tested you know? So that kind of cuts out the first part of the running in process doesnt it?


they dont exactly get the recommended milage do they!
put on a rolling road for final setup doesnt class as 2000miles running in.
its recommended to go 1/4 throttle to 1/2 throttle for a few hundred miles, that isnt for no reason.

also from testing to the purchase the oil isnt changes so the inital metal wear in the engine is in the same oil that is in until the 1st service, this isnt going to do much good either
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