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PostPosted: 18:39 - 16 Mar 2009    Post subject: 1999 R6 alternator/rectifier issue? Reply with quote

R6 failed on Saturday: speedo went, followed by backfiring (presumably due to lack of spark?) then bike died altogether. Got it bump started and got half way home before it died again.

Battery is charging from external charger but not holding a charge. It would be unfortunate if I was the first person to suffer this problem, so I wondered if anyone had any experience of it? Should I expect any major difficulties in identifying where the problem is or fixing it?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be honest i am not all clued up on new bikes like R6's, but the first place i would start is a new battery. before you connect the battery get a multimeter and test it on the battery. it should be reading about 12.5 volts DC. now, connect the battery to the engine, swith the ignition on and let the engine idle. now check the battery with the multimeter again with the engine revving at about 5000rpm and test the batt. it should be reading 14.5 - 15 volts DC. If it is actualy making the voltage decrease then i would say that the regulator is a dud.

The way to Test your alternator would be to find the reg/rec disconect the the cable from your alternator, it might have about 5 connector pins in it. check the multimeter across these pins, you should be getting around 70 volts AC. anything smaller or significantly higher then you alternator is shafted.

If your alternator reads ok then its deffo your regulator/rectifier.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Josh.
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PostPosted: 05:00 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Test the old battery in the way stated before buying a new one.

I may be wrong but I though as long as the battery was putting out 13.5volts when the bike was running it was ok.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree with you Chris.

In fact I've heard that running an alternator with no load and no regulator can cause it to fail.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBassJunky wrote:

In fact I've heard that running an alternator with no load and no regulator can cause it to fail.


That is total hog-wash ... I don't know who told you that, but they clearly have no concept of electronics/alternators!! Wink

rhone81 It sounds like your battery has had catastrophic failure (this can happen) especially if it doesn't hold charge even off a charger.

Either way you need a new battery now, so get one and then do the sitting and running voltage tests.

I bet it is just the failed battery.

p.s. if it turns out to be a failed alternator, I have one of those for sale, its practically new!! Smile
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive herd that if your battery gets over charged it can explode! is this true?
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 20 Mar 2009    Post subject: Re: 1999 R6 alternator/rectifier issue? Reply with quote

rhone81 wrote:
R6 failed on Saturday: speedo went, followed by backfiring (presumably due to lack of spark?) then bike died altogether. Got it bump started and got half way home before it died again.

Battery is charging from external charger but not holding a charge. It would be unfortunate if I was the first person to suffer this problem, so I wondered if anyone had any experience of it? Should I expect any major difficulties in identifying where the problem is or fixing it?

Thanks.


perfectly feasible that's it's the alternator, though as suggested a multimeter check while it's running will tell you whether it's charging or not. Look out for immobiliser/alarm malfunction, this happened to me once, I took the bike to Suzuki, new battery, new alternator windings, same issue, they disconnected the alarm/immobiliser and sorted, just wish i'd av thought of that before hand. Wink
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 20 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

veze wrote:
ive herd that if your battery gets over charged it can explode! is this true?


Yup the battery gets over charged, it boils the acid, the battery case expands , and seals up the vent holes (if there are any) creating more pressure , there was somebody on BCF who cooked his battery took off the seat and it was 4 times the size of a normal battery.

Sort of like the ending sequence of super man 2 or was it 3 where Superman brings a jar of acid to the fight.

It bursts it sprays acid all over the place.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 21 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Luke - I recently bought a new crankcase gasket and touch wood nothing else will require any work. You selling any tarty bits (I need a new rear hugger) or did everything go with the bike?

OT - how's it feel to be without an R6 in years? Very Happy

Charged the battery of the bike and was reading 12.3V. Connected it back up and was when revving to 5000 with lights on was dropping to roughly 11.5V. Going to pick up a Rec on ebay and failing that will look into the alternator - Blue_SV650S thanks for the heads up.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 04 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, finally got round to attempting to change the rectifier. What a pain in the arse to get to! Ended up snapping the bottom plastic bracket.

Disconnected the five pin plug from the side and noticed right away that the red wire had corroded and was no longer connected to the plug. What there was was a lot of green powder (copper oxide?).

This presumably means the rectifier is shagged but could the alternator be the cause?

Also what is the best way of fitting the five wires (3 white, 1 black, 1 red) into a new plug or is there a bodge anyone else has tried?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 04 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

rhone81 wrote:

Also what is the best way of fitting the five wires (3 white, 1 black, 1 red) into a new plug or is there a bodge anyone else has tried?

Thanks.


On most of those plastic connector lead things you can use a thin screw driver to push a tab which releases the wire out one end with the crimped on bullet connector. Do this for all the wires (carefully noting the position of all the wires) , cut the wires resolder or crimp on some new spades or bullets whatever it uses, and cut down the spades so that they fit.If you get contact issues you can put thin slivers of metal into the connecting side to fill any gap.

You then get some silcone and squirt it in the wire end to seal it up and should be good for a couple of years.
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