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PostPosted: 19:07 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Do sparkplug electrodes wear away? Reply with quote

If so why do they do it?
Ive just whipped the plug out of my RS, and its a BR10EIX and compared it to a BR9ES from my old bike, and the electrode is very very small.

Some pics of the plug, What ya rekon sposes to be like this?
First pic is my plug, note electrode in centre size
https://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/Gfxs/DSC00341.jpg
Second pic is comparison plug closest to the bottom is the BR9ES top plug is the BR10EIX
https://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/Gfxs/DSC00337.jpg

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PostPosted: 19:09 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it may be because someone has fitted an iridium plug to the bike.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What that its got a small electrode by getting too hot?
or by plug design?
I cant work out whether the plug is just about to give up from the electrode or not...
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
What that its got a small electrode by getting too hot?
or by plug design?
I cant work out whether the plug is just about to give up from the electrode or not...


Plug design.

As you can see, they have smaller electrodes.

https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JJXBZBHYL._SL500_AA280_.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Do sparkplug electrodes wear away? Reply with quote

Google that plug, they have small center electrodes!! Wink

But yes, electrodes do wear.

Its the arcing, normally the center electrode goes from flat top to rounded.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh right,
pretty pointless having iridium in a 2smoke tho =/
Running really lumpy atm Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Ahhh right,
pretty pointless having iridium in a 2smoke tho =/
Running really lumpy atm Laughing


2-strokes do get through plugs!! Oil clogging them up/getting into the insulation shorting the plug out is a real problem Sad
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the thing, this one seems to have clean plugs for a 2stroke, too clean almost.
Was hoping it was why its running like it is,
Only things that have happened just before it was like this was exhaust rewelded up and repainted in high temp black.

Now my bike seems to get alot hotter it got to 90 degrees C today,
only ever peaked 73 before?
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the exhaust leaking?

What the exhaust modified in any way?

The excessive temperature could be it running lean ...
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had the sides off and it has one tiny pinhole,
had enough backpressure to cut the bike out when hand is over the end of the can.

Exhaust wasnt modified as such just a plate welded over where it had blew a hole.
Im thinking the VHT paint is not letting the heat dissapate out, and as the exhaust port will be near where the temp sender is its getting very hot around that area?
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
We had the sides off and it has one tiny pinhole,
had enough backpressure to cut the bike out when hand is over the end of the can.

Exhaust wasnt modified as such just a plate welded over where it had blew a hole.
Im thinking the VHT paint is not letting the heat dissapate out, and as the exhaust port will be near where the temp sender is its getting very hot around that area?


Humm .

The VHT paint isn't a/the problem!

Has the bike got a powervalve?
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as im aware no,
The bloke said it was full power, but i dont know what they look like although i was aware for powervalve the rave box needs to be in the rear seat unit which it isnt so id say it hasnt.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
As far as im aware no,
The bloke said it was full power, but i dont know what they look like although i was aware for powervalve the rave box needs to be in the rear seat unit which it isnt so id say it hasnt.


It could still have a powervalve though that has been locked in the open position giving you full power.


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PostPosted: 20:14 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any way i can tell then?
like obvious things i will know if i see em.

As far as i know its got a Debaffled can, Pipercross foam air filter, and bigger carb.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Any way i can tell then?
like obvious things i will know if i see em.

As far as i know its got a Debaffled can, Pipercross foam air filter, and bigger carb.


Letting us know what the bike is is a good start!! Very Happy

Have you checked the basic things like the coolent level?
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

'99 RS125
Coolant level checked plenty in there..

What else simple is there to check about cooling?
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iridiums in a 2poke make a tiny difference, what we use for my racing, it's almost negligible. On the road, would be impossible to tell the difference.

As for power valves, if it is locked open it will give fuck all power top end. Low bottom end if it is locked down.

When I say bottom/top, 0-8k is bottom, 8k+ is top. You can tell if it's locked just by listening to the engine tone, if it fluffs a bit then goes a lot higher around 8500 revs, your power valve is fine. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no real pull under about 6K,
then it takes off, any help?
and something with that exhaust is making it hot im sure.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
'99 RS125
Coolant level checked plenty in there..

What else simple is there to check about cooling?


Did a google, looks like it 'might' Wink

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/community/Forums/Categories/Topic/?topic-id=353642&message-id=4204519&__ia=message4204519#message4204519

Interesting that it might have a plate in there ... is it possible this plate got disturbed in the re-fitting of the exhaust?

Download the RS125 manual and check the power valve operation if its been fitted!

Its possible the thermostat is sticking ... if the bike is running at 90deg c its not going to be happy ... I think 2-strokes like it about 60eg IIRC.

Bearing in mind you have removed prior to this problem, I'd be taking it off again and looking at the power valve/plate and checking all is well .... if all looks fine, my next stop would be the thermostat ... then the carb ...

All this after trying a new plug obviously!! Wink
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the power valve is on the exhaust port hole, we didnt remove anything but the downpipe and can, and refitted it exactly the same?
So im guessing no powervalve there, as there was no solonoid near the port or anything.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with Blue, check out your thermostat, my racing engines are an RS125 engine without the gears and they like it around 55-60, 90 is starting to cook it.

Make sure you have coolant circulating, enough of it.

Check the valve as previously stated, the exhaust won't affect it that much.

MAKE SURE IT IS NOT RUNNING LEAN. And it has enough two stroke oil.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
If the power valve is on the exhaust port hole, we didnt remove anything but the downpipe and can, and refitted it exactly the same?
So im guessing no powervalve there, as there was no solonoid near the port or anything.



You didn't remove the powervalve, but you have 'disturbed' that area!!! If you hammered or violently wiggle the exhaust to get it off, this may have been enough to dislodge summin???

Its gotta be worth looking into???
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double post, woop.

If there is no cable coming out from above the exhaust, you have no power valve or at least no solonoid connecting to the valve. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two stroke full did that yesterday,
it wont be running lean as ive just said its only since the exhaust has been off and repainted its risen in temp,
I use to wait till 65 before giving it any proper abuse, and it would happily peak at 73.

Must have coolant circulating of the headgasket will be warped already.

Just checked no cables above exhaust :S
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Double post, woop.

If there is no cable coming out from above the exhaust, you have no power valve or at least no solonoid connecting to the valve. Thumbs Down


Indeed and this 'plate' might be moving around in there???

I'm just guessing now, but the OP said it was running rough!

As for the temperature ... trying to determine cause and effect ...

We need to start checking stuff and ticking them off the list!!

It just seems too coincidental it only started running rough after the exhaust was repaired to NOT be somehow related .... so looking there initially ...
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