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 Posted: 11:25 - 05 Jun 2009 Post subject: Oil level advice |
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Hey, did an oil change yesterday on my b1, changed filter etc, let it drain for ages, tilted bike back and forth to get as much as i could out
I dont have a paddock stand or anything so i was filling it, tilting it towards me, topping up etc
The bike took about 3.8-3.9L, book says 3.6 with a filter change..
Ran the engine and topped it up a bit. With the oil fully warmed up and the engine off with oil left to settle, it went slightly over the upper line, and on a cold engine checked this morning the oil sits between the levels (slightly towrads upper)
With the engine "running" after a quick half hour ride a min ago, the oil sits between upper and lower level quite nicely, slightly towards the upper level
I was just wondering if using more oil than it said too is a problem? I know overfilling can cause pressure problems bursting seals and a stiff clutch.
never changed oil before, so wondered in what state you read the oil level , sorry to be a pain |
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 Posted: 11:35 - 05 Jun 2009 Post subject: Re: Oil level advice |
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| bacon wrote: | Hey, did an oil change yesterday on my b1, changed filter etc, let it drain for ages, tilted bike back and forth to get as much as i could out
I dont have a paddock stand or anything so i was filling it, tilting it towards me, topping up etc
The bike took about 3.8-3.9L, book says 3.6 with a filter change..
Ran the engine and topped it up a bit. With the oil fully warmed up and the engine off with oil left to settle, it went slightly over the upper line, and on a cold engine checked this morning the oil sits between the levels (slightly towrads upper)
With the engine "running" after a quick half hour ride a min ago, the oil sits between upper and lower level quite nicely, slightly towards the upper level
I was just wondering if using more oil than it said too is a problem? I know overfilling can cause pressure problems bursting seals and a stiff clutch.
never changed oil before, so wondered in what state you read the oil level , sorry to be a pain |
I would be cautious overfilling. I made a right mess on my GXSR400 doing that. Paranoia about underfilling led to me overfilling, which caused a leak which fuelled the paranoia about it being underfilled even more, led to me frantically topping up and creating a viscious circle. This was two years ago btw, I'm not such a fuckwit anymore!
I tend to go by the book when doing an oil change now, never had any problems.
Personally I would not be comfortable having 300ml plus the 'topped up a bit' amount more than the book says in a bike.
How are you checking the level? Upright, on stand etc. How does the manual say to check it? ____________________ CBR125|||GSXR400|||CBR400|||CBR400|||CB250RS|||GSXR750|||CB250RS
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Its pretty safe to rely on the level in the site glass as long as the bike is level, I personally feel its more realistic than measuring.
Its a bit misleading to measure what you take out and put the same back since your bike with naturally burn/lose oil over time. ____________________ https://www.metacafe.com/watch/1972097/how_to_behave_on_a_forum/ |
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 Posted: 11:46 - 06 Jun 2009 Post subject: |
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rules for checking oil:
1 - the bike has to be totally level, so no paddock stands, no side stands etc.
2 - what does the manual say? If it says use 10w 30 semi synth, dont use 10w 30 fully synth. It will tell you how to check the oil, some say run the engine for 30 seconds then check the oil, some say check it from cold.
3 - dont trust what the amount says, use you sight glass or dip stick.
and fill your filter up with oil before you put it on the bike, it ruins the bearings otherwise. ____________________ follow my racing season
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| bacon wrote: |
manual is kinda useless tbh, says fill up to upper level, let the engine run and top up. doesnt say if it should be at the upper level when its cold, warm, hot, running etc
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Check it when the motor's cold (or been switched off for 3-4 minutes after running)
Because it's a "wet sump" engine when it's running it's unlikely you'll see any oil in the sight window as it's busy lubricating the engine, it all comes back when you turn the engine off. Sometimes all the oil can take a few minutes to make it's way back to the sump.
You check dry sump engines differently, but they are rarer (RSV mille, RSV4, and few big single engines are all I can think of at the moment RC8 maybe, anyway don't worry about these for now).
Personally I tend to ignore what the manufacturer says and keep filling it until it's on the upper level.
If you do overfill it slightly chances are it'll chuck a bit out of the breather or something before it starts busting seals.
If you know you've fucked up and overfilled it big time drain it all and start again before you run it.
In my experience I've never had problems checking the oil on paddock stands on level ground. ____________________ My Flickr |
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I can let you have some of them bearings cheap but your going to need an osmosis seal with a slipper ring for them to work properly. I recommend nano bearings since they last longer, being generous I'll let you have a bag full and I'll even chuck in 1hr of tech support for 50 quid. ____________________ https://www.metacafe.com/watch/1972097/how_to_behave_on_a_forum/ |
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I'd like to see you manouvering a filter full of oil horizontally into place on most bikes!  |
I am not sure what the filter bearings thing is all about but I too pre-fill my filters ...
Its not as silly as it sounds, if you fill the filter with oil, it saves those few seconds (or even tenths is a bonus) it takes to fill and flow ... remember the filter has paper element in it, the oil is actually held pretty well in there ... if you keep it 'spinning' when maneuvering it to put it on, then centrifugal force is your friend too ...
People have been chucking on dry filters for years, but pre-filling isn't going to do any harm now is it ... its potentially going to be doing some good too (well less harm) .. .
As for the OP, you need to be checking the oil level once cold. i.e. now the bike has been run to get the oil everywhere, you should ideally let it cool and re-check.
As a tip, if you put a spirit level on the tank cap, you can get a repeatable 'level'. Chances are your perceived change in oil level is nothing more than a reading/measuring error.
Its best to keep between the lines obviously, but if its a gnats c0ck over the top mark, then I'd not worry too much myself. If its over the top of the sight glass, then drain some off ...  ____________________ The purpose of life is to fight maturity. |
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I fitted a new oil filter but I forgot to remove the axle roller bearing hub plate transit bolt and I ruined it.
Take note people, the best way to free your oil filter bearings is to drill a small hole through the top of it before you fit it to your bike.
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