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PostPosted: 17:40 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

To a certain extent I agree with a lot of the things BNP say, they say things that people try to shy away from (although deep down they are thinking the same thing)

I think that it would be wrong to turn someone down in an interview simply because they are not a Brit, the person with the best experience/qualifications/likeability should get it. I do however think that the immigration rules need some serious review because some of the people that are coming over here to sit on the dole/commit crime clearly have not been vetted very well by our government. The australian points system seems to work quite well for them from what I can tell.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

this thread shows how daft the BNP are

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=174698

BNP have only come to prominence because the right-on left wing PC brigade are anti-racist to the point of silliness and for years politicans are scared of being racist.

Unskilled or semi-skilled British people are now competing for jobs with people who will work harder and may be more motivated. This is good for our country, but not good for the people losing their jobs.

Another side of things that I'm less keen on is an apparent quota system for hiring in some jobs designed to rectify a racial balance. However it may simply be that there are fewer non-white people well qualified for the job, so if you deliberately try to employ more non-white people, you are doing injustice to white people.

Racism may be bad in most situations, but hiring on racial quotas, is just as racist in my book.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Re: BNP vote ad Reply with quote

the warped one wrote:


Discus...




https://farm1.static.flickr.com/53/255424222_3451c2a7f9_b.jpg



I wouldn't call the discus racist per se but if you are lobbing them at ethnic minorities then some would perhaps construe that as being quite negative.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say I'd vote for them... but credit where credit is due... they speak their mind, regardless of the consequences. A rare treat in politics!
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

M1ke wrote:
some of the people that are coming over here to sit on the dole/commit crime clearly have not been vetted very well by our government.


Or alternatively

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some of the British citizens here already sit on the dole/commit crime and clearly have not been vetted very well by our government.


I do agree with the thing you said r.e. jobs though - the job should go to the best candidate regardless of background. It's something that in my sector doesn't seem to be happening unfortunately - friends of mine who are not British are not actually allowed to apply for a job (first one from Uni) until the majority of the British students have secured one first. On the one hand this may seem sensible (and I'm sure there's a ton of graduates who would love to be in this situation, with a good 1/3 of the competition wiped out at the first hurdle), give graduates who have lived in Britain all their life the best chance of getting a job, it stands to reason that if someone has come from another country and actually WISHES to stay on and work here and contribute to the system which has given them the ability to train then they should have just as much of an opportunity as those born here (or who weren't born here but have citizenship - like me for example!) have? Christ knows that they can do just as good and, in a lot of cases I know, a much better job than those who are from Britain.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every nationality has plenty of lazy scrounging wankers. British ones are more hypocritical than most. If people could find something else to complain about, pubs would be more interesting places.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with the BNP and their ilk is that they take away votes for genuine change that might go to one of the more mainstream parties. A vote for the BNP (thankfully) is a wasted vote. But then, I suppose this is the same for the Natural Law party, the Green Party, the Monster Raving Loonies, the anti war party and the Lib Dems.

Possibly even UKIP too... Wink
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm digging the discus pic, i want a go now
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

a lot of people deep down have 'racist' views, although most control them and don't take them to extremes. The idea as far as the BNP are concerned is to get as many votes as possible, to do this they've got to appeal to everyone not just the extremists, so you can expect them to say things like that, that will strike a chord with the majority. Just be careful because that's how Hitler got into power, and we all know how well that turned out!
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"British jobs, for British people"


Me and Yun see this billboard the other day in essex near lakeside.

She turned around and said that this must include us since being born in England and holders 'british' passports, technically speaking, it fits.

However, would we be comfortable going to a BNP meeting? do we really think we'd be welcomed with open arms? I doubt it.

Would it be fairer to say they really mean "British jobs, for white British people"?
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"British jobs, for British people"


Me and Yun see this billboard the other day in essex near lakeside.

She turned around and said that this must include us since being born in England and holders 'british' passports, technically speaking, it fits.

However, would we be comfortable going to a BNP meeting? do we really think we'd be welcomed with open arms? I doubt it.

Would it be fairer to say they really mean "British jobs, for white British people"?


When what the voters really want is not British Jobs for British People, or British Jobs for White British People, but British Jobs for people who can speak English and who are willing to work.

Or how about this: No immigration without proof of a job offer, or proof of genuine persecution.

Sounds better to me.

Still, I'm white, British, late twenties, I should be the BNP's core audience. Despite their good public face they still make me extremely uncomfortable...
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone brought the manifesto into work the other week a lot of the stuff was quite good and common sense ideas. Only problem is who knows what the fuck they will do if they got in.

On the immigration thing. Personally i would like to see us being more like Australia then let any old shitter in. But we cant do that. The very least we could do is make the dole less appealing its got to the point where your almost better off to go on the dole and have a few kids.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only reason it might be controversial is because the BNP said it. Gordon Brown was recently slagged off in the press for using the exact same catch phrase in several speeches.

He wasn't pulled up for being racist though, he was pulled up because it was another empty Labour promise.

The BNP do have good idea's, they pinch them from the tories or labour then given a populist hysterical slant to attract stupid reactionary voters.

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PostPosted: 20:14 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason why the BNP appears to be full of thugs and knobheads is because 'normal' people dare not raise their' head above the parapet. The BNP activists are the only ones that have the balls to say what many people feel. The rest of us keep our head down and tut quietly, frightened of being overheard.

If, in 1968, Ted Heath had engaged in dialogue with Enoch Powell, instead of sacking him, we would not be in the position we now find ourselves in, terrified to voice our concerns. The sooner we can all speak freely the better.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The problem with the BNP and their ilk is that they take away votes for genuine change that might go to one of the more mainstream parties. A vote for the BNP (thankfully) is a wasted vote. But then, I suppose this is the same for the Natural Law party, the Green Party, the Monster Raving Loonies, the anti war party and the Lib Dems.

Possibly even UKIP too... Wink


Honestly, I'm too tired to work out whether this is sarcasm or not Rolling Eyes

Neither of the 'mainstream' parties represent genuine change, both appear to represent the same thing. Small parties will never get into power but if their votes increase, the major parties will take notice and start to adopt some of their policies. Except possibly the natural law party, didn't they have a policy that involved teaching everyone to levitate?
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its proper change, avoiding the mainstream parties needn't be the only way.

If PR was adopted it would force the bigger parties into coalitions with the smaller ones.

That said, the same organisations that currently make the mainstream parties corrupt (big business etc etc etc) would then just start dealing with the smaller parties...

At the end of the day (I can't remember who said it in another thread; people are cunts) so will go with the money becuase it imbues power.

Which is why, STILL, anyone who shows aspirations for a life in politics should be barred for life from it.

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PostPosted: 20:34 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have attended many far right meetings, BNP, NF C18, Stormfront and am proud to say I was there. At every one of these meetings I have fought to remove the right of free speach these nazis have tried to remove from others by disrupting and stoping them from spouting their idiology of filth.
Then there is UKIP, the respectable face of facism Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
I have fought to remove the right of free speach these nazis have tried to remove from others


hmm aren't u a teacher ?
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It concerns me to see that people think the BNP are the brave voice of reason.

They are an idiotic bunch of angry, hate-filled twats - and I'm dying to see what these 'common sense ideas' are. There are some vague, simplistic ideals on their website that most of us would go along with - but therein lies their threat to British society.

The BNP identify things that concern most of us (unchecked immigration, economic issues, weakened armed forces and never-ending conflicts overseas) and try to present themselves as the reasonable solution - which they most patently are not.

They want to 'voluntarily resettle' LEGAL immigrants - and make no bones about the fact they are only interested in looking after WASP's, or 'indigenous Britons' as I think they like to call them.

It's quite clear from their childishly-written media articles that they would make life a misery for any duskily-skinned Britons were they to gain power, and for that alone I condemn them utterly - along with anyone else who thinks you can't be British if you're brown.

Any twat who is unable to distinguish skin colour from culture deserves to be kicked out of the country him/herself, and I'll gladly volunteer my size 11 Lowa-shod plates of meat to assist.

Edit: Ahhh! What glorious irony these vermin gift us with! Despite wanting to kick out all the Jonny Foreigners in our scepter'd isle, they seem to think it's ok for John Bull to clog up other people's countries with his beer belly and sunburn!

https://bnp.org.uk/how-to-help/if-you-live-overseas/

So, thick, prejudiced AND hypocritical!
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
1930 Ariel wrote:
I have fought to remove the right of free speach these nazis have tried to remove from others


hmm aren't u a teacher ?


Your point is?
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 26 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

They try to get rid of the 'criminal' tag by tagging everyone else, nice and mature Laughing

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