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buddy
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: caught by speed camera van (39 in a 30) Reply with quote

well ive got done for speeding... 39 in a 30

right here https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=essex%20road&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

going west
well basically is there any way i can fight it? i passed my car test today aswell so if i get prosecuted its gona REALLY fuck around with my car insurance

as i say it was a speed camera van, a mate said i can ask for a certificate of calibration for the radar gun, is there anything else like this i can do to help me?
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself over to peppipoo and see.


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Has the NIP arrived yet? If it doesn't get posted within 14 days your in the clear anyway....
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

send a letter admitting it, saying it was an unfamiliar road, and you were certain it was a 40, and explain the situation with insurance, and that 3 points and £60 is excessive and request a course.

i know some solicitor cunt who did this and got a driver awareness course.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

got the nip yesterday Sad
so where do i send this letter?

but even if i do the course and get points removed, the insurance will ask if i have ever been convicted, and the answer will still be yes, so my insurance will still be sky high?
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you agree to do the course rather than get the points, are you still convicted? Do you go to court, as this is where you normally get 'convicted'.

OTOH I don't know why you are so worried about your insurance, ahh unless you are in the 'still young' category. I have just insured my wife as an L rider and declared 3 points and it hardly made any difference to the premium. Fully comp on a CBR 125 was only £150.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 points makes shit all difference.

Ive got 3 points and 1 accident (no claim made) and my insurance is £200 on an R6 at 21 with
3 years ncb.

It was about £300 with 2 years ncb.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got 3 points and a £60 fine last July, yet in October my insurance still went down.

So don't sweat it..

Just bite the bullet and pay up. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Wink
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

easy done fella, yeh try and swing a speed awareness course out of it. afaik it doesnt go down on your license as a conviction at all (please correct me if im wrong)

if not like has been said bite that bullet... sheeeeite situation to be in but hey ho what can we do about it. bloody mobile vans they should be illeagal, there sometimes hidden away, it feels a bit like entrapment sometimes. i think it was mcn did a report of a horse box being used so people made no effort to slow... grrrr

cameras are meant to prevent not prosecute....!!!!!! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

im 18, and have 0 no claims...
its gona make a hell of a difference to car and bike insurance

but can anyone answer my questions?

if i do the course and get points removed, the insurance will ask if i have ever been convicted, and the answer will still be yes, so my insurance will still be sky high?

and how do i apply for the speed awareness thing?

thanks all Wink
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll probably be given the option of taking a Speed Awareness Course.
Still costs £60 but you don't get the points and it doesn't affect your insurance because you don't need to declare it, even if you did it wouldn't make any difference Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

buddy wrote:
im 18, and have 0 no claims...
its gona make a hell of a difference to car and bike insurance

but can anyone answer my questions?

if i do the course and get points removed, the insurance will ask if i have ever been convicted, and the answer will still be yes, so my insurance will still be sky high?

and how do i apply for the speed awareness thing?

thanks all Wink

When you say "get points removed" are you saying you already have points on your license?
If you havn't had confirmation of the punishment then you have no points on your license yet anyway.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok well, i have had the nip come through my door, what do i need to do now to go on the speed awarness?

no mention of fine or points yet
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's up to the police wether you are offered a speed awareness course or not, not all areas offer them. you could write or phone and ask.

If you get the offer, take it. It's 4 hours and not as bad as you might think. It will still cost you £60 though.

No points will be added to you license, so you will not be "convicted" of any offence, also the courses are confidential, you have no obligation to inform your insurers at all. I didn't.

good luck.


Dog

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keep everything, including the envelope from the NIP. fill it in naming yourself as driver and post it back RECORDED..............or...........SPECIAL DELIVERY.
just so you have proof of postage.
attach a letter if you like, asking about speed awareness courses. but STAPLE that to the form...(very important..the staple)

have a squint at pepipoo if you like, but be very careful on there not to identify yourself, the scamera partnerships monitor the site, and it is infested with coppers anyway.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Speed Awareness course cost me £85. But I'd rather pay the extra than get the points.
You don't have to notify insurers about the speed awareness course and nothing is put on your license, so no need to worry.

Mind you 39 in a 30, they might not offer you it. Where I did my speed awareness course they were extra tough on people speeding in lower limits such as 30 limits and they said anyone doing over 37 wasn't offered it. Though it does depend on circumstances and the local authority.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodgydog wrote:
RECORDED..............or...........SPECIAL DELIVERY.
just so you have proof of postage.


No need. Just take your letter to a post office with a 1st class stamp on it and ask for proof of postage, they will post the letter for you and give you a receipt. No extra charge Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

awareness courses are not offered in every county, in addition the number of places is limited.

What you have to do now is ensure you name yourself as driver within the time limit( S72).

Howeverat your age the worry would be the next potential three points leading to a licence revoke (assuming your bike licence is full).

If you got the points on provisional then still leaves you 6 to play with on full car licence.

Has the NIP been issued within the 14 days?

Post on pepipoo, nothing to lose and whilst there you might pick up some info for the future Thumbs Up


EDIT: did you not post a couple of months back that you were "racing" a r6 or something and got flashed by a gatso? Thinking
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 18 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes lol

this is kinda different, i wasnt going mental, not even 40 in a 30 and i got caught by a hidden van. still entireley my fault though i realise.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 18 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

buddy wrote:

this is kinda different, i wasnt going mental, not even 40 in a 30 and i got caught by a hidden van. still entireley my fault though i realise.


Hidden Confused

I think you mean,lack of observation on your part. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 18 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

you sure thats a 30?

I live just round the corner from there, less that 1000m away anyway

Most of Pompey is a 20 on residential streets. (Im sure you know that already though)
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 18 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

buddy wrote:
yes lol

this is kinda different, i wasnt going mental, not even 40 in a 30 and i got caught by a hidden van. still entireley my fault though i realise.


And did you get points for that ?
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 18 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah its a 30, and im awaiting points, gotta send the nip off today
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