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PostPosted: 18:50 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Homemade carb balancer - would this work Reply with quote

Im pretty sure this would work fine but I would like some sort of conformation please

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/carbbalance.jpg

The two jars would be sealed air tight, as one carb creates more of a vacuum the the pressures would be un-even, and the water level in one carb would raise, then it is a case of just adjusting them untill the water level is even in both jars, make sence?

My bike is in serious need of lots of servicing so I am trying to cut costs, I could put together that lot in the diagram for less than a tenner i reckon, maybe less than a fiver Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 18:56 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Interesting idea and might well. Normal consideration with using water based vacuum gauges is that water is a lot lighter than mercury and hence will be drawn up a lot further by the same vacuum. With you way the vacuum drawing the water up will only be the difference in pressure (but if it does manage to draw it up then it might well hydraulic the engine).

Might be worth putting some kind of damper valve between the 2 jars to smooth out the changes in the levels.

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PostPosted: 19:00 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

For six quid more you could just buy one and you know it would work.


https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNIVERSAL-MOTORCYCLE-CARB-BALANCER-VACUUM-GAUGE-TOOL_W0QQitemZ230350708743QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item35a1f8e007&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1689|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to do it on the cheap, there is already an established method that will only cost you the price of some clear tube*!!

https://www.obairlann.net/reaper/motorcycle/manometer.html

*and some odds and sods that you prolly already have lying around!! Wink
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the workings of my water/jar combo to that ebay one, plus where is the fun in buying something pre-made and tested Laughing

Not that hydrolocking the engine is something I wish to risk.

As a failsafe I could make sure that the pipe to the carbs is higher than the level of all of the water from both jars put into one jar, so even if all of the water buggered off into jar 1, the pipe to the carb would still be at a safe height.

I've written that pretty badly but i think it makes sence?

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PostPosted: 19:09 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

It does make sense.

Or just get some mercury Twisted Evil .

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PostPosted: 19:14 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

While it is pretty useless most of the time I still like to look after my brain, running around like a mad hatter doesnt sound all that appealing to me Laughing

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PostPosted: 19:17 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still have my mercury vacuum gauges in the garage.

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PostPosted: 19:34 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats what i use...
works perfectly,
but make sure that you have less than half the jar full in each,
or like me when all the water comes from one side to the other, if its more than the total amount of 1 jar, she suck up through the hose and into the engine Very Happy
fun times. hehe
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its an old design that works well. I've never used one but I can remember people using oil instead of water. Oil gives better damping and doesn't hurt the engine if it does get sucked up.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Its an old design that works well. I've never used one but I can remember people using oil instead of water. Oil gives better damping and doesn't hurt the engine if it does get sucked up.


Er you suck up gob-loads of water or gob-loads of oil you still risking the same - and terminal - problem ... Hydraulic lock .... that is the enemy here ... a tiny BIT of water (think of water vapour on a foggy day or better still water injection systems) or a tiny BIT of oil won't do any harm ... a gob-load of either will hydraulic it and that CAN cause big damage ... Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
a gob-load of either will hydraulic it and that CAN cause big damage ... Shocked


Like blow the head gasket Whistle

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PostPosted: 21:51 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
Er you suck up gob-loads of water or gob-loads of oil you still risking the same - and terminal - problem ... Hydraulic lock


And you know this will happen with the guys design from experience or because you think so? You made an assumption that there is 'gob-loads' of fluid involved based on what exactly?

The slightest bit of research shows that some who try the basic home made manometers do manage to suck the fluid into the engine. All report either a load of steam or a cloud of smoke. Not one mentions the self destruction of their engine. Guess they were just lucky. Someone should tell the multitude who have been making them for years how risky they are, or maybe they followed the instructions and only used a couple of teaspoons of fluid in small bore tubing?

As for the the bottle ones the idea is to fill one bottle to about half to two thirds full then share it between the two bottles. IF the fluid is pulled through then it can only fill one bottle partially and therefore cannot reach the tube going into the engine.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
pretentious carp!


Er, with this statement "Oil ... doesn't hurt the engine if it does get sucked up." you were implying that if you suck up water its bad, suck up oil it is OK, my point was the statement is inaccurate/misleading, it is not about which fluid is ingested, its about how much!!! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever.

Your extensive knowledge of mechanics wins again. Heres a pound, get yourself another tattoo out of the bubblegum machine.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Whatever.

Your extensive knowledge of mechanics wins again. Heres a pound, get yourself another tattoo out of the bubblegum machine.


Keep the pound - go buy yourself a tampon ... you are clearly on 'your period' Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about you hang on to that pound and see if you can buy an original reply?
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 22 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

well the amount of fluid the is being sucked up per revolution is tiny to say the least, there is no way in hell you are going to hydolock from that, i certainly didnt!!
and using oil wouldnt be a bad idea, the water flutuates very quickly and its hard to see a balance the oil would dampen the pulses from the vacumm,

dont fill more than half of each bottle and you'll never have any sort of problem,
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PostPosted: 05:36 - 23 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea+1 Thumbs Up
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