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Yep. Kiddy fiddler who got away with it for 30 years and how many more kids do we not know about?
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Trouble is, the people who were supposed to make the decision 30 years ago cocked this up, (excuse the phraseology.) Polanski plea bargained (a contentious area of US law) and was 'promised' 16 months to three years incarceration.
The judge at the time reneged on that, the maximum for the crime could've been as much as 50 years. Apart from anything else, the judge going back on that deal undermines an incredibly important aspect of US justice, it saves them billions in court costs if the accused plea bargains...
That was why he ran. That said, I don't think he should get off with it although I'm not sure what would be suitable in terms of punishment given he's not been able to return to the US for the past 30 odd years.
The victim also wants it dismissed, I would venture the opinion that if it was to be dismissed, they'd argue it wouldn't encourage anyone else (or detract from any deterrent effect of the law) given the unique aspects of the case, (i.e. if you have unlawful sex with a minor, you'll get away with it if you leave the country for 30 years.)
I agree with arry's post, it doesn't make it right of course. But consensual sexual relations is very hard to legislate as people develop at differing speeds. What isn't up for debate is when it's a clear cut case of coercion, rape or sexual assault.
In Polanski's case, he'll either be let off with time served or he'll do six months in a soft penitentiary then be allowed to get on with what ever it is people like him do.
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I agree with arry's post, it doesn't make it right of course. But consensual sexual relations is very hard to legislate as people develop at differing speeds. What isn't up for debate is when it's a clear cut case of coercion, rape or sexual assault.
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The entire field is FUBAR, and I suspect a lot of it is down to sad resentful old men in govt who want some but know they'll never get any.
Who decides when a girl is old enough to willingly get some? What's the difference between her getting it from somebody her own age or somebody much older? It could be argued she'd get a shite experience from a young lad with no skills and a memorably good one from an experienced older man. Is it because a young girl can be more easily manipulated? What's the difference between her being manipulated by a lad her own age and an older man? End result is the same.
Then turn it around...young lad at school fantasizes about a female teacher, then gets some from her. Who the fvck other than some sad PC wanker would call that abuse? And boys mature later than girls too, so a 13 year old boy being given the time of his life by a female teacher vs a 13 year old girl by a male teacher, which constitutes the greater 'abuse'? Will the boy come back years later and complain he was 'taken advantage of'? Will he fvck, he'll be smiling about it for the rest of his life.
There's a whole culture of bullshit that's been created around nascent sexuality. Time was a young boy or girl would have been fvcking grateful for a good time from somebody who knew what she/he was doing. Now it's suddenly a dirty concept. And there are young girls cursing the day the state decided they couldn't have it so easily anymore. I remember that woman, from some dept of child-protection, coming out on TV and saying how "We should all remember that a lot of these chat-rooms are inhabited by sexually predatory young girls." That was a bit of an eye-opener.
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Agreed.
The law still favours the female though which can be problematic. The ages of consent you talk about do have certain mitigating circumstances though, namely; if a child (say who's 13) has a sexual liaison with an adult who is much older (say 30.) It would still be investigated as abuse if it came out or if a complaint was made.
There'd be no talk of unlawful sex, it would be sexual assault in the same way it would be with non-consenting adults. I wrote a piece on age of consent some time ago, it varies wildly. 14 in the Netherlands, in Mexico the minimum age (for both orientations) is 13 with the caveat that they must be close to each others age which seems sensible to me.
Obviously nothing to do with Polanski, but a 16 year old boy could find himself on the sex offenders register for dallying with his 15 year old girlfreind which to me seems heavy handed.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 16 years, 340 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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