CBT = Madness

[leeclissett]

I always thought the CBT concept seemed like a good idea as a stepping stone into proper lessons but recently I've decided its actually totally crackers!

Only realised this week that if you are 17+ and you have a CBT you can ride a 125cc up to 14.6bhp. Went to see my brother who has just done his CBT and we went out for a spin, while his YZF-R125 didn't have the raw power he could easily get up to 70mph. Are we really letting 17yr old kids out at 70mph with the absolute minimum of training? Based on my own experience my first CBT was a breeze, the instructor knew my family and after a few hours at slow speed on the playground we did a quick blast on the road and he signed me off. My recent DAS included a CBT that was a bit stricter but still very limited.

We may as well just be giving these kids a loaded gun.

[Mr.Everready]

So what would you prefer ? Going out with your dad on the back of a 50cc to keep an eye on you ?

What's your thoughts on someone doing a 1 week DAS and buying a GSXR1000 ?
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[kungfupoodle]

A valid observation!

Unfortunately the full car test (+lessons) isn't much better.. and then you can drive 3 tonnes of 150mph+ 4x4 if daddy will let you.

No amount of training will remove the idiot from the equation.

[leeclissett]

[leeclissett]

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[Pernig]

In my experience it takes forever to get to 70 on a 125. On the 125s I've ridden you really have to rag the shit out of them to even get to the national speed limit.

Conversely, you can drive pretty much any car on L-plates as long as you can afford to insure it and can find someone with the required driving experience to sit next to you. Note that you can jump straight in and you don't have to be assessed by a qualified instructor who will not grant you a CBT unless he/she thinks you're not competent to drive.
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[s44678]

Has there suddenly been some kind of tidal wave of 17 year olds dying at 70mph on CBTs that has driven you to proclaim these kids are "being given loaded guns"?

Sure, new riders are drivers are more likely to be involved in an accident, but I would bet that speed has fuck all to do with it.

No amount of theory, classrooms or training is going to replace real-world experience in making them safer. And how do you ever expect them to gain the experience in the first place if you won't let them out on the roads?

[mr rip]

[JAMSXR]

FFS

Like Big Ham has said it's all about experience.

leeclissett people with your perspective on things are contributing to making this country a 'nanny state'....

If you can't handle a bike a 7omph you should not be riding on the road in the first place.
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[kungfupoodle]

Well riding at 70mph isn't necessarily unsafe provided:

1 - Its a 70mph limit and the conditions allow

2 - You keep your distance

3 - (be pedantic about all the things I've missed off )

Both of these things are taught during CBT and for a reasonably bright 17 year old - with a good imagination of the consequences - are easily applied.

But if the 17 year old is not so bright...

[metalangel]

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[metalangel]

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[wizzzard]

Once were out of the CBT centre we all ride like cocks at times so they might as well forego the pretence of training and just let everyone get on with it like they used to.

Anyone following a group of young moped riders for any length of time will realise what a waste of a day the CBT was for them.

Road experience is what everyone needs not a day being shown a helmet cut in two.
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[Ste]

[sagalout]

[stinkwheel]

The situation before CBT came in was you could go out on your 17th birthday, go to the post office and get a provisional licence. Then go to the motorbike shop, buy a RD250LC and slap a couple of L-plates on it.

You were then legally entitled to go out on the road and wheelie it into the back of someones car at 115mph because you hadn't even the vaguest idea of how to ride it.
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I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[metalangel]

[kungfupoodle]

[Finglonga]

Never used to be a CBT years ago and the kids had common sense and never got hurt/killed. Says allot of today's learners.
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[Paulington]

I would rather be thrown on a quite quick 125 and be able to do 70mph with that on 'L' plates than have to be babied all the way up from 50cc.

Being thrown in the proverbial 'deep end' is much more efficient a teaching tool.
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"Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul."
Current Vehicles: '89 Kawasaki KDX200, '99 Yamaha XV535, '00 Honda ST1100 Pan-European, '08 Suzuki GSX-R1000, '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GS4 2.0 TDCi, '15 BMW 1 Series 116d Sport Turbo.
CBT: 27/08/08. Theory: 04/09/09. Module 1: 16/09/09. Module 2: 01/10/09.

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[ricky_v]