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how long you been riding?  |
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This topic has been well covered in the last couple of weeks....
The only person who can make that decision is YOU.....
It all depends on how good you throttle to brain interface is at noticing the change....
Only need to post once.... Its a sunday morning, many are only just getting out of bed, or even getting ready to ride  ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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| bENN wrote: | You'll be rate.
from a ped to a 600, a year has passed and i'm still alive ragging the poor thing. |
A 600 is quite a different proposition to a 1000.
I'm 100% certain that a 600 is an acceptable first bike in terms of DAS etc (They still do 160mph and accelerate like mental. Nobody would have a car that could do that as a first car!) . A 1000cc four cylinder sportsbike, or 1000cc V twin sporty bike is not an acceptable first big bike.
"Oh the throttle goes both ways, only you can decide." I'm sorry but that is total and utter bollocks. Throttle control is something that needs to be learned, not something that is automatically endowed on you when you pass your test. The subtlety of throttle control required for a 1000cc sportsbike is something that only comes with experience.
I've been riding ten years and I felt that the fireblade I had a couple of years back was too twitchy for the road. Not just in handling terms but in throttle response too.
Something like a fazer 1000 might be a little bit softer, but I still wouldn't reccomend it. What I find to be amazing is that people don't seem to realise that the real world performance difference between a 600cc four sportsbike and a 1000cc four is nothing. The true difference is something that can only be harnessed by the best riders, and even then things like superstock lap times are not that far off supersport considering the difference between a 250cc commuter and a 600.
Seriously progression is best, and I wouldn't reccomend buying a 1000cc sportsbike until you've had a twitchy 600 sportsbike for a couple of years. There are of course large capacity sportsbikes which are pretty forgiving, for example the Triumph Daytona 955i. In actual fact though its probably slower than a modern 600 because it has a weight disadvantage. I'd class it along with a Fazer 1000 as a 'softer' 1000.
There are plenty of 600's around, they are pretty easy to start on and yet hard to master, and one slip of the right wrist isn't going to necessarily have you off in a hedge. What shocked me on the 'blade was that if you hit a bump it can jar your hand enough to make a significant throttle change. If that happened mid corner I dread to think what would happen.
If you HAVE to have a 1000 then I would consider something like a VTR1000 firestorm which only has a similar performance to a sports 6.
I would rule out stuff like the Fireblade, ZX10, R1 and GSXR1000 though. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F; Cheap project: CBR900RR FireBlade
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| Devils Advocate |
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marjay summed it up perfectly.
IMO you deffo need to spend some time on a sports 6 before moving upto a litre but it`s your choice at the end of the day.
tbh you`ll be be shocked by the power difference going from a 250 to a 600 anyway so there`s no real reason to get a superbike just yet. |
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What 250/1000?
I think you'll find if you go to a quick 1000cc, you'll inevitably lose confidence on the bike as it will scare you?
Also, why go to 1000cc straight away? As MarJay said, a lot of 1000ccs (Yamaha R1, GSXR1000 etc) are twitchy etc. I know someone who bought a brand new 2009 R1 and riding for 5 years on a 600 before finds the bike too twitchy and overpowered for the road.
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whats the point? its just purely for the fact you can say.. oh yeah i have a 1000cc. (tart factor)
a 600 will go fast enough for british roads.
anyone can ride a 1000cc bike. riding it well is the difficult bit.
plus.. if you have to ask if its the wrong thing to do. thats generally the first red flag telling you that you shouldnt do it.
only move up to that power when you KNOW you can ride a 1000cc properly and not just sit on it while it rolls uncontrollably underneath you.
Tart Factor Fact - a supermodel in a bikini on a repsol honda looks fantastic, but if she started it she would fall off.
same applies to you, in expensive gear on a 1000cc bike you look great, but when you do fall off, even 50cc ped bois will chug past you and laugh.  |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 16 years, 192 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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