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PostPosted: 18:24 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do all you can to get out of it. A Dr's note pointing to mental instability is a good start.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.uknetguide.co.uk/News_and_Weather/Article/What_Happens_if_I_am_Chosen_for_Jury_Service-100300.html

That should help.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best 2 weeks of my life......

I tried my hardest to get on a long running case, but was unlucky. Did get 2 nice cases though and got a guy put down for killing a biker through DD Thumbs Up

It can be very boring if you are not on a case. Suggest taking a good book or a games machine.

Odds on you will come off it having enjoyed it.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the pleasure two summers ago. In summary the highlights are as follows:

Arrow Turn up on the first Monday. Sit around for an hour or so and wait for everyone else to turn up. Get a brief introduction and explanation of what is expected of you.
Arrow Tea break.
Arrow Return to court to be told you're not wanted for the day.
Arrow Go home.
Arrow Get call that afternoon saying you're not wanted on Tuesday.
Arrow Turn up on Wednesday. Wait around for an hour or so.
Arrow Get told the defendant pleaded guilty and get sent home.
Arrow Thursday - Get sent into a case and hear about one side of the case.
Arrow Friday. Second half of case in morning. Dury part of it in the afternoon.

Arrow Monday is a new case.
Arrow Tuesday second half of case.
Arrow Weds is Jury part.
Arrow Thurs & Friday not required.

They have two sets of jury's who work two week shifts (overlapping) and they don't like to over-run the cases / shifts (three weeks) as you get bonus payments for extended duty. For this reason you won't get put on a new case in the second part of the second week.

You'll be amazed at the amount of time & money is wasted in the court service and how little use is made of the facility.

You'll make a mint from being paid to drive there / park / lunch allowance.

You'll meet a good cross section of society and see some characters (in the jury AND the dock).

If you're a sensitive soul it may upset you. I just had a street beating in Milton Keynes for some guy of shagged this other guy's sister. I also had two drunks beating up a mentally handicapped guy in milton keynes. Rolling Eyes

The worst part is being forced to walk past the defendant's family / friends outside the court. Confused

Oh, and the other other shocking part is how poor the CPS is. They couldn't build a case for shit and have holes all over their evidence. I hope i never have to rely on them for my prosecution in a case. . . . Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the warped one wrote:
Well that was rather helpful, so I get paid for doing it and then what wages I loose, RESULT Thumbs Up

Anyone here done it?

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As far as i am aware, you get paid peanuts for doing it. They will also only pay your loss of earnings for a small amount of time (2 weeks?) so if it is a serious, long running case (ie, murder) then you could end up not having all your wages covered (although they do cover them to an extent, just not very much)

Although, it something i've always wanted to do.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what you do...so long as it's a case where no individual has been harmed in any way, you find 'Not Guilty', regardless of the evidence. Gun possession, theft from a corporation or chain store, drug-dealing, you get the picture...not guilty.

Treat the law with the abject contempt it deserves in that regard.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Here's what you do...so long as it's a case where no individual has been harmed in any way, you find 'Not Guilty', regardless of the evidence. Gun possession, theft from a corporation or chain store, drug-dealing, you get the picture...not guilty.

Treat the law with the abject contempt it deserves in that regard.


Define 'harmed'. Do you mean physically? Emotionally? Financially? There are many levels of 'harming' - where is your line of demarkation?

By the way Warped, I've done jury duty - I enjoyed it and would do it again, made a few bob too. Just turn up and let them lead the show, you only have the one job to do, everything else is sorted for you.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice is still do all you can to get out of it.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Best 2 weeks of my life..... got a guy put down for killing a biker through DD Thumbs Up


Shocked I didn't realise that we still had capital punishment in this country! Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
Here's what you do...so long as it's a case where no individual has been harmed in any way, you find 'Not Guilty', regardless of the evidence. Gun possession, theft from a corporation or chain store, drug-dealing, you get the picture...not guilty.

Treat the law with the abject contempt it deserves in that regard.


Define 'harmed'. Do you mean physically? Emotionally? Financially? There are many levels of 'harming' - where is your line of demarkation?

By the way Warped, I've done jury duty - I enjoyed it and would do it again, made a few bob too. Just turn up and let them lead the show, you only have the one job to do, everything else is sorted for you.


I think to myself, "Is there somebody, somewhere, sitting and feeling unhappy, sad, miserable, crying..." If the answer is no, the verdict is not guilty.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you saying that the trade in drugs and illegal gun use cause no harm?
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it, it's quite enjoyable. I'm still waiting to get called again after 26 years. Wish they'd hurry up.

I did it one day after my 18th birthday, leather jacket/long hair jeans/crash helmet etc, convinced I'd be thrown off any jury (in those days the defence could object to 6 jurors without giving a reason). Turned out I was completely wrong, defence counsel loved me, they chucked off anyone middle aged with a suit.

I only did a week, was released for the second week. I was given a cheque for a weeks money without any deduction for tax. I cashed it and stayed off work the second week. I think they are a bit more careful paying you properly nowadays. I was paid for my normal hours plus whatever overtime my firm said I did normally.

I was a juror on three trials, a going equipped, a drug possesion and a shoplifting.

The drug possession was quite good, got to see a policeman nearly burst into tears under cross examination.

The 'going equipped' was hilarious, the feeble excuses for carrying two enormous screwdrivers, a torch, a pair of gloves and 15 car keys at 3am had to be heard to be believed. The reason given for the gloves was that the accused had been bodypopping in Stratford town centre 15 hours earlier. The judge (wig, half moon glasses and cobwebs) asked what bodypopping was, 'it's a form of robotic dance your honour' came the reply. 'Really? whatever next?' he uttered with dust falling out of his wig as he shook his head.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was just about the most boring time of my life. Turn up every day just to sit and do nothing. Never got a single case.

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PostPosted: 07:55 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the warped one wrote:
So do I get 2weeks off work for doing this?

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Are you not an apprentice? I imagine you will need to catch up when you get back. It is not limited to two weeks, many trials go on for months or even years and you will be there day after day as a prisoner of the state with no chance of furthering your job prospects. As I said plead madness.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
Are you saying that the trade in drugs and illegal gun use cause no harm?


People cause harm, not drugs and guns. People. Gonna ban cars next? Kitchen knives? Bungee-jumping? Butter? Alcohol? Tobacco? Sugar?

Go on, rationalise ban-culture preventionism and explain to me where the line gets drawn, and why that line is different in different countries and different cultures. Make any sense of why it's ok to fvck a girl of thirteen in Spain or fourteen in Austria and why that makes you a paedo in the UK, or why it's ok to fvck a girl of sixteen here but in some states in the USA you'll go down for statutory rape if she's under eighteen. Or why it's ok to own and use a machine-gun in some countries but if you get caught here with a bolt-action .22 rimfire hunting rabbits you'll be locked in a prison for years.

On second thoughts, don't bother. Because all it ends up as is different bunches of arrogant self-serving scum in different places getting off in their own peculiar ways with thinking they get to tell their fellow adults what they can and can't do, as the fancy takes them. Not because it makes sense, or is righteous, but because it validates and justifies the jobs and positions and power they've given to themselves, as an end to itself.

Fvck them, they can go rot in hell. And meanwhile a free person such as myself will do whatever the hell he likes, so long as it causes no harm to another.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it and I would agree with a lot of the above, it is:

a) boring
b) scary how crap duty CPS solicitors are
c) Frustrating

I had only one case that reached it's conclusion and it was for a bunch of girls breaking into another girl's house and trashing it. The only reason it got to court, I believe, was because the little troglodyte who was accused had been done numerous times before and they wanted to get her for something. We found her guilty because of the law where if an agreement is made to commit a crime, then all parties are guilty of that crime. At one point the CPS was having an argument with this illiterate (couldn't read her own statement) 16 year old like so:

CPS: I put it to you that you did it
Trog: I never
CPS: Well, I put it to you that you did
Trog: I never
CPS: well I put it to you ..... etc etc

Well done mate, 7 years legal training put to good use there. Putting 'I put it to you' before every sentence does not change the fact that you are arguing with a 16 year old illiterate, and losing!

Another case that was looking interesting was a couple who met in a mental home and then were released and lived together. If the evidence the woman gave was true then he was a violent nutter. Unfortunately, she kept giving evidence on events that were not covered by the case, so the jury was dismissed in case we had been misled.

All in all interesting but scary when you remember that a court case costs c. £20k a day.

Cheers

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PostPosted: 21:04 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well haven't you just be diangosed as a medium-severe fruit cake or something?

Surely thats enough for them to not want you on their jury team.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:
Well haven't you just be diangosed as a medium-severe fruit cake or something?

Surely thats enough for them to not want you on their jury team.


I think you will find the correct term is, one slice short of a full loaf.
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PostPosted: 06:40 - 11 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So do I get 2weeks off work for doing this?

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That will depend on your employer.

I managed not too work for the 2 weeks, as even if they finished you at 14:00, which was the earlist they did. I would not be back in work in time.
Others on the other hand had to go back to work and make the time up.

All depends on your attitude to your work and the company you work for.
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