Transition from 125cc to 600 cc

[bonkersz]

What are the main differences between riding a 125 and a 600 ?

Apart from the obvious , like an extra gear , more speed and heavier weight .

I am about to buy a 600 cc which is my first bike , can anyone give me any tips ?

What is the major transition from 125 to 600 ? Will i find it difficult to change ?
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[wizzzard]

The main transition for me was the throttle response. I went from a 125 to a 750 and nothing else really came as a great suprise other than the delicacy of the throttle.
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[Alexio]

You won't have to have the throttle entirely open absolutely everywhere any more I imagine and seeming as the weight of the bike will increase the corners are likely to be different (not more difficult but need to be taken with much more care to the throttle too).

There are certain things that are pretty much impossible to mess up on due to a lack of power for accelerating and braking on a 125. Lots more room for error once you move up for example... I have ridden before like a crazy person when it's pouring down with rain, overtaking at 60MPH +. If you get your throttle wrong on a 600 doing that then you could be off if you ride it like a 125.
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[aargh]

If you mentioned to 4 cylinders 600cc, I think that you should give try to a 2 cylinders 500 cc bike before having it. Imho it could be better to get used to handle weight and steering of the big machines. By the way, throttle response of 600c bikes can be a problem if you have not enough experience.

My first bike is YBR125 and the veterans around me advised me no to ride 600cc bike in a short term. So that presently I have GS 500 and realized that the guys are totally right. Riders must upgrade the bikes step by step.
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[iooi]

You will find that the weight and steering will be a improvement as will the stability on the road.

Just remember the throttle to brain interface is your biggest issue.

No more winding the throttle to the stop to set off or after changing gears, unless you really are in a fast mood.

Weight is only a problem when you are stood still. Once moving its no diffrent.
So unlike your 125 once they start to fall over you tend to let them go down slowly as if you trying to stop it from falling, over often results in more body pain than anything else.....

I went from 250 to 600 and found it a far better ride all round and so long as you are aware that the only real diffrence is the throttle and how it effects everything.

You will be OK and don't worry about it.
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[Mord]

Yay.. and I want to jump from 125cc 2 stroke to Ducati 748 V2 yay.. There is a hardly a throttle response in 2 strokes.. they wake up at 6-7k rpm.

[Jrod]

[Noxious89123]

[mr_s81]

For me anyway, wind became less of a factor (not mine I should hasten to add ) When I was learning I rode a Kawasaki AR125 which was a great little bike, but because it was so light, if there was any wind at all I found myself being blown all over the road.

After passing my test and moving on to a SV650 I found that the bike was much less affected by breezy conditions and much more stable. So although the extra weight can become a little disconcerting at slow speed. Once your on the move it definitely has its advantages!

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[Pussy Magnet]

yes throttle response and the shire weight of the bike would be a bit of a difference.

[tsmith]

you'll be able to overtake everything, cars will seem much slower. Acceleration is incredible, 100mph is easy and can be reached on any straight bit of road.

I didn't find much difference with braking, the 125 had worse brakes but was much lighter so in the end braking was about the same.

Don't slingshot in corners though, I found this out the hard way. On the 125, the main place I overtook cars was coming out of corners as it was the only time they slowed down. Grab a handful of throttle mid corner on a 600 and the back end can slide out.

Oh and turns in the road - on a 125 its easy. On a big bike the turning circle can be way bigger. You may need to go up onto the curb or do a 3 point turn to get round.

fuel economy is worse on a 600, insurance is higher and tyres cost more.

[chart06]

[swordheart]

Sorry for hijacking this thread but it seems a waste making a new thread for it

So as regards big bikes would you say 600cc and above is a lot different to anything lower, i ask because i may hopefully be doing my DAS in a few weeks and i presume i will be using a 500cc bike, i am 5ft 10 and 10.5 stone so could i have any probs with the bike ?

[wizzzard]

I used a CB500 for my DAS and I'm 5'9". Never had any problems with the weight at all and if anything it was a lot more stable at any speed.

As to whether a 600 or above is a lot different to anything lower, that really does depend on the bikes in question. I currently ride a zzr600 and it is as sedate and sensible as you could wish for at lower revs, certainly no worse than the CB I rode. I had a FZR1000 up until a few months ago and that was a completely different kettle of fish.
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[swordheart]

Thanks, thats good to know i was starting to have a few concerns about that particular issue.

[iooi]

[Alexio]

Turning circle is related to wheel base length and turning is related to bike weight.

Some 600's are near as light as some 125's and the same goes for wheel base I guess?
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will never give up his CG. I look at my fuel gauge more as a progress bar than a fuel gauge.
G: With my GSXR I do often effectively use it as a scooter with a clutch in town.
ms51ves3: why does it need 500 miles? Are you teaching it how to be a piston?

[Paulington]

As people have said, you just need to be more aware of what your right wrist is doing and when it's doing it.

I went from a 24bhp 125cc to a 100bhp 600cc and I had no issues whatsoever. As people said just be aware. If I pinned the throttle in 1st on my 125cc I'd be doing 25mph or so at redline, with the 600cc in 1st gear if I pin the throttle the front end comes up and at redline I'm doing around 65mph.

Have fun and good luck. .
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[Jrod]

I went from 3 years with no bike to a zx12r.I don't think theres a much bigger jump than that.
I havn't dropped it, havn't even had any 'moments' as I knew It wasn't comething to mess about with so I've been careful.

[Skynet-T800]

Went from my Scooter to an R6.

Not a major issue, but when I first saw it I though god look at the size of that thing.

Wasn't so bad, as mentioned the throttle is dangerous if your ham fisted.

The brakes shocked me on a motorway I once used too much pressure on the front brake lever and that made my clench at the power of them- respect.

[Syx]

If you are confident on the 125, then don't let yourself get worked up about moving to the 600. I did exactly the same, and the only differences are what have already been mentioned - the throttle, brakes and stability.
I had managed to get myself into a state of worry meaning that I was near petrified the first time I sat on mine... and for nothing. Just be calm and collected about that first ride and you won't have any problems.

[ashwell-09]

I had a 50 on and off for two years, got rid of it and then did my A2 and got a 400 CBR, it's wierd how quickly you adjust to the bike but i think being paranoid for the first few weeks/months depending on how well you adjust to it will do you good because you never stop thinking about what needs to be done. Just take it easy and don't open up too much exiting corners. Be careful this time of year too because heavier bike - alot harder to control in shitty conditions.
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[AcIdBuRnZ]

Over the years I went from an NSR125, to an ER-5 after passing my full license, then a ZZR-600 before getting my current bike GSXR-750.

To be honest, it depends on the bike. I thought the ER-5 was a handful at first after the 2 stroke, and then I found the ZZR a screamer after that, and even going from 600 to 750 was a big jump, as the Gixer is bloody insane, but only if you want it to be.

Point is take it easy, as already said the biggest change is in weight of the bike, throttle response (the Gixer is so twitchy) and also the brakes. The Gixer has wavy discs and semi-road/race pads and the bite is scary. I'm actually more scared of the braking than anything else as it is so powerful.

Hope this helps.
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