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PostPosted: 11:22 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: You're not as good at riding as you think you are. Reply with quote

There are, of course, two things no man will admit to being bad at.
Sex and driving.

Ask any driver about the state of the roads, and we'll all say the same thing. It's getting worse. Courtesy is down, madness is up. The elderly will blame the young tearaways, the hot rod 17yo will mock the old pensioner, women will blame aggessive men, men will blame hesistant women, and so on.

Everyone is a bad driver... accept for you! In our heads, we will all claim to be above average. But this is illogical: only a few can be above average. The truth is, most road users have no end of bad habits, ride and drive mostly on luck rather than skill, and are far less able than they will admit to being.

The difference with a bike and car is a driver can coset his incompetence with technology that isn't available to most bikers (abs, etc, etc) and so feedback loops are far less apparant. On a bike, if you're doing something dangerous, you'll know about it quicker than in a car. This is why I'd suggest that riders tend to be more awake to their errors than drivers.

However, the standard of riding is still very low. In fact most riders I see on the road seem half asleep like drivers.

So this really is a post to be honest about your bad habits, things you can't do well on bikes that you should be able to do, things that you need to improve or stop doing, and so on.

For me:
1) My cornering isn't great, and I need to make gear changes smoother.
2) Sometimes, I suspect, my filtering is a bit reckless and I imagine I've (rightly) pissed off a few drivers.
3) I stop too frequently at junctions when I don't need to.
4) I try to accelerate from cars off the line ocassionally and feel a need to then keep on accelerating to silly speeds into the distance to prove how "fast" my - terribly slow - bike is.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm better at sex than riding.
But I'm better at driving than sex.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) I filter too fast (caught myself at up to 40mph on the M25 when the cars arn't moving)
2) I tend to go into sleep mode on motorways
3) I will go between cars doing 70+ on motorways and as above probably piss the drivers off rightfully

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PostPosted: 11:41 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to ride a little too fast usually, also, I apex corners but this is forgivable as I DO race on the track so I'm used to it.

Everyone's a Rossi on the bike and a Schumacher in the car. Thumbs Up.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only fault I can pick with my riding is the deep seated need to overtake anything thats in front of me. Even on the little 100 where overtaking is more about persistance and luck than skill and judgement I can't seem to happily sit behind a car for any distance.

Otherwise I'm pretty much by the book and while I wouldn't win any medals for it, I do view my riding as more than competent to survive on british roads.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ This Laughing

I use the brakes too much going into corners.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

my cornering needs quiet abit of work and i do take over cars at silly times sometimes if i'm in a rush
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I 50 pence corners now and then instead of going round in one fluid motion...

I seem to ' zone ' on the motorway and could actually pay a bit more attention...

I should probably touch the brakes from time to time instead of just rolling off the throttle so people behind are aware...

Think those are my only weak points...
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride one-handed a bit too often - only got rid of my 50cc in august so the habits still wearing off.

i ride fast when i shouldn't be at times.

I enjoy overtaking too much and probably do it too much too.

I piss drivers off on purpose all the time, normally they've done something that put me in danger or pissed me off first though.

When i'm bored in slow traffic i swerve from side to side gently in my lane.

Other than that i think i'm getting on alright considering i've had my 400 2months, I've only crashed 3 times in 2 years and both were my fault, i knew i was riding too fast for the conditions but i did it anyway for some reason, i always try to be careful now
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: You're not as good at riding as you think you are. Reply with quote

steppen22 wrote:
However, the standard of riding is still very low. In fact most riders I see on the road seem half asleep like drivers.

That'll probably be because most riders are drivers... Who just happen to be riding a bike on a nice day instead of driving their car.

If you're someone who rides constantly in all weathers, you'll have had more practice and your concentration on the road will be better because you're thinking less about operating the bike. If you're a car driver who only rides at weekends for six months of the year, you'll be out of practice, thinking about gear changes etc instead of automatically doing it while concentrating on the road.

As for my bad habits... Questionable filtering, occasionally risky overtakes, undertaking (carefully) on m-ways and dualcarriage ways if everyones in the outside lane and the inside lane is clear. Otherwise I think I'm ok.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm too busy shouting at other drivers/riders and picking holes in their abilities to notice my own faults, which are probably numerous and glaring Wink

But caution may be my biggest fault, as I've seen horrific things happen to people who take risks and tend to take less myself as a result.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
1) I filter too fast (caught myself at up to 40mph on the M25 when the cars arn't moving)


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2) I tend to go into sleep mode on motorways
3) I will go between cars doing 70+ on motorways and as above probably piss the drivers off rightfully

c_dug


I can relate to all of your points... Cool
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Cornering needs to be improved
2) I'm not always as relaxed as I should be which dont help above
3) Mini roundabouts I need to learn to go round a wee bit quicker
4) Tend to roll off the throttle when coming to junction etc, should really brake as well.
5) Tend to stop at give way junctions rather than keep moving ready to stop.

Oh my god should I be riding with all those bad habits Confused Confused Confused Confused
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: You're not as good at riding as you think you are. Reply with quote

steppen22 wrote:
Ask any driver about the state of the roads, and we'll all say the same thing. It's getting worse. Courtesy is down, madness is up.
Everyone is a bad driver... accept for you!


They are not.....

It just human nature that we are better at complaining than complementing.

Think about your average ride and how many other driver/riders are about. Then how many you actually have a legitimate claim that they have caused a problem....
Less than 1% i bet that are bad.

I find on my commute more drivers will move over or make room than ones who attempt to block or move over.

Do i have faults.....

Of course.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A5tra_G wrote:
1) Cornering needs to be improved
2) I'm not always as relaxed as I should be which dont help above
3) Mini roundabouts I need to learn to go round a wee bit quicker
4) Tend to roll off the throttle when coming to junction etc, should really brake as well.
5) Tend to stop at give way junctions rather than keep moving ready to stop.

Oh my god should I be riding with all those bad habits Confused Confused Confused Confused


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PostPosted: 13:10 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: You're not as good at riding as you think you are. Reply with quote

steppen22 wrote:
But this is illogical: only a few can be above average.


Just under half are above average...
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably don't give as much room around cars when overtaking them, as they'd like. As soon as I'm past the front bumper, I move back over. Don't think it's a big deal, because if I'm going 50mph faster, they're hardly going to hit me, are they...

Should probably adjust my headlight aim to be lower, it's not uncommon for cars to flash headlights at me Confused Passed it's MOT fine so it should be correct. Any lower and I would lose visibility, so stuff 'em. I just show them what full beam really looks like.

That brings me onto another; road rage. Always get pissed off with other drivers and riders.

I tend to go fast on the straights and slow down more than I need to for corners, but I'm making good progress on that one Smile

As Wiz said, if something is infront of me, I *must* pass it. I can't relax and ride at my own pace with someon infront. Same in the car, except a 1.3 Ka isn't well designed with acceleration an overtaking power in mind Laughing

Safety-wise, I'd say I'm very good. Do all my lifesavers and most of the mirror checks. Often don't check mirrors before opening it up, and often forget a lifesaver before overtaking Doh! Am usually too focussed on waiting for a gap. Although if an oncomming car has just passed, there shouldn't b anything behind me trying to overtake Laughing

It really fucks me off if I'm stuck in a line of traffic and when an overtake gap opens up, some nob infront in their 1.6 civic / focus / other non-fast car will pull out and use that gap to pass maybe 1 or 2 cars, where I could have passed the whole line of 10+ cars. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
As Wiz said, if something is infront of me, I *must* pass it. I can't relax and ride at my own pace with someon infront. Same in the car, except a 1.3 Ka isn't well designed with acceleration an overtaking power in mind Laughing


I'm the opposite to that and am very picky when it comes to overtaking opportunities. I'd rather take a little longer on my trip than die or break my bike Laughing

My cornering could be improved like others.

I could possibly filter more, but when I'm out on the TZR I care too much about the bike.

Other than that, I can't think of anything else. I lifesaver quite a bit due to having no mirrors fitted.


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PostPosted: 13:40 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: You're not as good at riding as you think you are. Reply with quote

Shreddie wrote:
If you're someone who rides constantly in all weathers, you'll have had more practice and your concentration on the road will be better because you're thinking less about operating the bike. If you're a car driver who only rides at weekends for six months of the year, you'll be out of practice, thinking about gear changes etc instead of automatically doing it while concentrating on the road.


I kind of have to agree. Because of riding every day and in all weathers I think I'm quite a good rider and I don't have a car. In the most un-arrogant way I can say this; my cornering, gear changing, observation and navigating junctions / roundabouts etc. I am all perfectly good at on my 125. I ride at a sensible speed and never seem to piss anyone off or wish I was a bit better at something on the road.

If I'm still a good rider once I move up to something with more power remains to be seen. It's either that or I really do symbolise the kind of rider who thinks that he's fine but really without knowing it is entirely crap Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, I've never had a proper off.

A few low-speed spills, yes, but never a proper tumbling-down-the-road crash.

I know that one day I will, and it will hurt like fuck. I'm not a great rider; though I am very cautious, I'm also shit at cornering and have a habit of going in too fast. One day it'll catch me out.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

admiting riding faults eh?

I speed too much, even in built up areas (ive no problems doing 60 in a 30 zone at 3am, when I can see its clear to do so)
I get road rage very easily.
I do stupid overtakes that occasionally put my life into the hands of another road user.
I fail to understand that there is a limit to what 7 year old tyres can do, and on a fairly regular basis have stacked it because of that.
I engine brake too much, resulting in no brake light showing.

getting quite good at emergency stops now though. Laughing


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PostPosted: 14:10 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBassJunky wrote:
Basically, I've never had a proper off.

A few low-speed spills, yes, but never a proper tumbling-down-the-road crash.

I know that one day I will, and it will hurt like fuck. I'm not a great rider; though I am very cautious, I'm also shit at cornering and have a habit of going in too fast. One day it'll catch me out.


In all seriousness now ... that's probably exactly how I am.

And (virus) ... I thought we were SUPPOSED to engine brake?
I do that A LOT.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah engine braking is good, and blipping down gears sounds awesome, but you should lightly drag a brake so the brake light comes on and alerts people behind that your slowing down, I dont do that. Laughing

probably because ive got no front brake light switch, pre '85 so I didnt need one for MOT, never got around to fitting a working one either.

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PostPosted: 14:34 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
It really fucks me off if I'm stuck in a line of traffic and when an overtake gap opens up, some nob infront in their 1.6 civic / focus / other non-fast car will pull out and use that gap to pass maybe 1 or 2 cars, where I could have passed the whole line of 10+ cars. Evil or Very Mad


Many would count that as a bad fault. As you should allow anyone in front the chance to overtake 1st as they have been waiting.

I find it more frustrating waiting for your chance only for some dickhead behind you to block you off.
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