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Howling TerrorOutOfOffice
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 07 Dec 2009    Post subject: Stocking Filler for Guitarists Reply with quote

Now i love the tones that come from my guitars..woody...bright..twangy..But i also love NOISE and sometimes
a Stack of Orange Amps ain't noisy enough. So i use a plethora of effects...some analog pedals..some vritual.

I'll cut to the chase...Guitar to MIDI. Its not new, but its usually expensive. Until now:

https://www.sonicstate.com/amped/2009/12/02/sonic-lab-sonuus-g2m-guitar-to-midi/

Virtual instruments can be downloaded legally from https://www.kvraudio.com/get.php

USB to MIDI adapter about £5
MIDI cable ...cheap as chips

Make a racket in 2010....Priceless Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 08:57 - 08 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want noise? You want one of these, you do. Uses a C# proggy to convert the USB to MIDI :-

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/dsc00107_190.jpg

Just need to pull my finger out and sort the latency so I can have 6 strings instead of 4, and put it into a guitar body.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 09 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Roland VG-88 for midi stuff, although that's pretty much exclusively guitar based modelling.

I did borrow another Roland module from a mate for a bit and this did do piano/brass instruments etc but it was very difficult to get set up correctly and would often get lost if you tried to play any quick phrases. Midi is ok to play around with but essentially it's quite gimmicky IMO and I'd certainly never find a use for it live.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 09 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

That MIDI plank of Shaggy's look so crap its coolness is assured Thumbs Up . (no-way i could build anything like that Embarassed )
What kind of things do you trigger? I suspect some Bass synth reinforcement?
One of the reasons i've not looked into the Roland VG stuff was its price and installation. Sounds good...can't knock it.

I sometimes use a Variax 300 guitar. It uses piezo bridge pickups to capture each individual string’s
vibrations, and process the signals through software algorithms that captures the physical and electronic
properties of the guitars that have been modeled (26 including sitar,reso and acoustics). But it doesn't do MIDI Sad

I don't find MIDI gimmicky...old and restrictive maybe.

I also use GuitarRig and use a MIDI footboard..works great with 4ms latency at 24/96 so no noticeable delay, has some nice features but it doesn't turn my guitar into a drumkit Laughing Whereas that Sonuus G2M will keep the neighbours guessing 'WTF is he doing now' for a good while longer.


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PostPosted: 16:41 - 09 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
What kind of things do you trigger? I suspect some Bass synth reinforcement?


It's got 4 note polyphony, plus the joystick handles pitch bend and modulation. If I stick to 4 strings, I can have velocity sensitive triggers too, whereas going to 6 means key on/off only. Each string is configurable for voice and tuning, so I can have any combination I fancy. I'll be modding the software so that I can have it play autochords, like the Suzuki Omnichord. That way I could have (say) lowest string play major chords, second plays minor, third plays major sevenths, fourth plays minor sevenths etc. with various arpeggiator patterns.

Once I sort out the latency and it moves from Alpha to Beta I'll post some videos. I've got a Strat neck I need to hollow out and adapt for the fretboard and I haven't decided on the body shape yet. I might make it headless to match my Westone Quantum bass. Don't hold your breath though, I'm a lazy bastard Smile
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 09 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bespoke baby Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
You'll be in noodling heaven. I think the headless look will suit your cosmic guitar. What bodies you thinking of? BC Rich style Shocked or more trad or maybe a Gibson Firebird (loads of room for inside trickery) Mind you looking at your pic, you'll have a bigger choice.
Would love to see you complete it.

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PostPosted: 10:41 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
What bodies you thinking of?


https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=62904

I prefer the minimalist look, and all the clever stuff is done in software so the body need not contain much. The hardware is pretty much just a joystick on steroids Smile
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:


I sometimes use a Variax 300 guitar. It uses piezo bridge pickups to capture each individual string’s
vibrations, and process the signals through software algorithms that captures the physical and electronic
properties of the guitars that have been modeled (26 including sitar,reso and acoustics). But it doesn't do MIDI Sad


I've never tried the Variax although I am a big fan of Line 6.
Going off topic a bit here but I'm really keen to try out the HD147 head.
The problem I've encountered with the other Line 6 heads (albeit solid state) in a live situatuion is even running the on-board noise surpressor with a Boss one it's still virtually impossible to eliminate microphonic feedback. Curious to know if the valve head would be any better because I love the Line 6 hi-gain sounds. If not then it's back to Peavey for me.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaggy, that will be one radical axe.

Agonyst, maybe its related to your pickups. Or your placement of head and cab in relation to the stage microphones or even a stage monitor/wedge with a poor foldback mix.
I'd ask the question in the Sound on Sound guitar forum.

Personally i like all types of guitar amps. Valve/SS but did send an Epiphone hybrid amp back. Horrid digital reverb and loud noisefloor.
I occasionaly play live and use a 1980 Peavey Bandit (75w) combo. Very very clinical even when driven hard. Its the only large amp i have now...apart from a Marshall 40 Valvestate(can only produce 1 nice tone...pants)

So most of my playing is on little practise combos. Orange Tiny Terror, Orange Crush 10 and one of those little Orange Microcrush things .
Also got a modded Epiphone valve Jnr. Maybe 5watts but like the Tiny Terror its valve so its still loud Twisted Evil I use a power soak so i can drive the valves hard enough to sound nice, yet not make my ears bleed.
On one of the Strats i use noiseless pups..perfect for playing in rooms with dimmers and lots of electrical gear...Not so good for Shredding tho Sad




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PostPosted: 13:24 - 11 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
Shaggy, that will be one radical axe.

Agonyst, maybe its related to your pickups. Or your placement of head and cab in relation to the stage microphones or even a stage monitor/wedge with a poor foldback mix.
I'd ask the question in the Sound on Sound guitar forum.

Personally i like all types of guitar amps. Valve/SS but did send an Epiphone hybrid amp back. Horrid digital reverb and loud noisefloor.
I occasionaly play live and use a 1980 Peavey Bandit (75w) combo. Very very clinical even when driven hard. Its the only large amp i have now...apart from a Marshall 40 Valvestate(can only produce 1 nice tone...pants)

So most of my playing is on little practise combos. Orange Tiny Terror, Orange Crush 10 and one of those little Orange Microcrush things .
Also got a modded Epiphone valve Jnr. Maybe 5watts but like the Tiny Terror its valve so its still loud Twisted Evil I use a power soak so i can drive the valves hard enough to sound nice, yet not make my ears bleed.
On one of the Strats i use noiseless pups..perfect for playing in rooms with dimmers and lots of electrical gear...Not so good for Shredding tho Sad




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My basic Live Rig is EMG equipped Ibanez K7 or the Dean 7 string I have, again with the 7 string equivalents of the EMG '81 and '87 into my Line 6 head via my AKG wireless and the Boss noise gate. I also sometimes run into my BBE sonic maximizer although that is currently out of action as I knackered the power supply.

I considered running the solid state Line 6 into a Peavey 5150 or XXX to see how that sounded but haven't got round to trying that. Personally I think that if I'm struggling to tame the Line 6 then running that into the Peavey's probably not going to work too well!
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