General election coming up... no change in politcs then

[tykey]

The only 2 outcomes of the general election are labour or conservative win.

So in reality this means fuck all. They are both so similar. Why bother voting?

Why do the BNP have to be so extreme; otherwise i'd vote for them, or is that just bbc anti-bnp bullshit?

I've seen several polls where the public (big majority) want immigration stopped now yet we do fuck all and vote the same cronies in with the same bullshit etc etc etc i could go on. How is change really brought about? How (if it has) happened in other countries (i mean by a democratic voting system).

[Itchy]

Sit tight and wait, Pimco has just fired a warning shot across the bow of the UK, if the UK loses its AAA status the UK will default and the IMF will be our government for a few years.
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[Ste]

[Bru]

I heard an interesting point on the radio yesterday, about this topic. Another outcome to the usual Labour/Tory 1-2 would be if neither party won a majority. The Lib Dems may not ignite passions in quite the same way, but their party may well be placed to join either 'major' side to create a coalition government. This would alter the normal state of play, so there is a third, non-BNP way to vote, if you so wish.

[Itchy]

[Kickstart]

Hi

Unfortunately I suspect Itchy is right that if the lib dems (or the greens) hold the balance of power then labour will get in.

Only plus point might be if the lib dems made it a condition of a coalition that the voting system changed to PR, which would make the following election more useful (and probably also mean hung parliaments for evermore).

All the best

Keith
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[Raffles]

[Redoko]

Taking Government and Politics myself (Britain last year, America at the moment) I can tell you there is a real point in voting.

Like Ste said, if you don't vote, then you don't care.

The main parties are different, it's just at the moment they both have to cut budgets because of Labour's debt so they will seem similar.

I doubt a coalition Government will do this country much good, Britain's political culture is power, we prefer Government to have more power than other democracies because they get things done. America hates power, and believe the state should do the minimum. (Explaining the hatred over Health Care reform, too much power to the state yada yada yada...)
If we have a coalition Government, it will mean both of the half's will have (firstly) choose a policy and then (secondly) agree on it. Oh, and then get it through Parliament.

A coalition doesn't look like a positive outcome at the moment, even though David Cameron has lost some momentum over the last couple of months, I predict the Tories will achieve power.
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[GhostRider]

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[Ste]

If you believe that the whole democratic system is flawed then you'd probably be best moving to a country that isn't based around the idea of democracy.

By not voting you're simply saying that you don't care enough to do anything.

If you don't want to vote for one of the big three parties, then you could vote for one of the smaller minority parties who have very different ideas and values. You could spoil your ballot paper, when votes are counted the returning officer has to explain in front of all candidates why a ballot paper is considered to be spoiled, making it an ideal opportunity for you to get your message across to them. You could even vote BNP or UKIP as the more votes those parties get, the clearer it becomes to the big parties that people are bothered about immigration and about being part of the EU.

By not voting you're just saying "I really don't care, I'm just going to stay at home". If you disagree with the whole system to the core then you should do something as there are plenty of options available to you.

[lostboy]

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[Itchy]

Quite frankly a benign dictatorship would probably be better if it could run for 15-20 years.

In that the problem with Governments right now is that they are uber short term, and therefore create projects which torch the country in the long term for short term gain. Much like businesses who make profits for now but sacrifice tomorrow for this gain.

It doesn't have to be like Fascist Taiwan from 1952 till 1991, or like the PRC communist. Or scary like Singapore. In that Japan effectively had a one party system for 60 years they kept getting re-elected.

Like PFI sure it makes a hospital now but if it costs 25 times it would have cost to pay up in cash then whats the point of that?.

With 20 year time scale you can build all sorts of knarly stuff with longer pay back period times and not worry about your reputation too much.

We have this topic now and again, if you were dictator what would you do (remember Benign so no mass executions!).

You could make some phenominal changes, like double decking the M6 and the M25, At the same time you could probably build an uber fast train network ONTOP of this double deck motorway as well.
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[Raffles]