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iainsalter
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 19 Mar 2008    Post subject: Making my 50cc accelerate faster Reply with quote

i just bought a yamaha BW SP-Y 50cc scooter. it has some sort of sports exhaust fitted which makes the bike go alot faster. im interested in making it accelerate faster for fun. could anyone tell me what i should buy which i could get fitted by a garage?[color=black][/color][size=18][/size] :D :D
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 19 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

this realy depends on how much money you are wanting to spend, i would recomend a polini variator which are around £50. if you are looking to spend less then just get race rollers about £11 and cluch springs about £7...
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 19 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that was said above wont make the bike much quicker off the mark. Laughing If you want best 'bang for the buck' then wack a basic 70kit on such as the polini iron for around £70. The kit is good and provides most 'bottom' end punch so wheelie addicts love them,so i imagine there good off the mark. You have to spend to get gains im afraid.. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 19 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont put a 70 kit on it unless you wanna blow your bottom end...
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 19 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you just want it to accelerate faster put different rollers in the variator,
You will probably need to have a shop do this for you as you need a windy gun to remove the lock nut.
If you are thinking about a new exhaust its not that simple, some require you to de restrict your bit but some if there nice will give you all the things you need, rollers, and jet.
As you have an exhaust kit already fitted you could try the first option, rollers.

there fairly cheep at around £16

on a different note I believe the fastest accelerating 50 at the moment is the ludix blaster, Doesn't mean its the fastest, just gets up to 30 the fastest, or so I've been told
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 19 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaman wrote:
You will probably need to have a shop do this for you as you need a windy gun to remove the lock nut.


You can use a tool called a boa constrictor to hold the variator while you undo the nut. This is how I de-restricted my scooter.
Got the tip off a video of a guy de-restricting his Yamaha scooter on YouTube.

Teaman wrote:

on a different note I believe the fastest accelerating 50 at the moment is the ludix blaster, Doesn't mean its the fastest, just gets up to 30 the fastest, or so I've been told


That is true. Liquid cooled 49cc putting out 6.2bhp when the exhaust is de-restricted. I was contemplating buying one if I got an apprencticeship at Honda last year. I never got the apprenticeship.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 20 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

red powerbands are the best for acceleration and wheelies
go down to your local bike shop and ask them for one. usualy about £5 Wink
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 20 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

For goodness sake..enough with the powerband blags. Just because you put 'powerband' in a post it doesnt enter you into a special group or anything Rolling Eyes ..so i guess you can stop now? Thanks. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 20 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fort black was fastest as its knightrider speed? Laughing Laughing
Anyways
Exhaust.
Jets.
Rollers
Higher octane fuel
Iridium plugs.

Although some of those could damge your bike
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 20 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Higher octane fuel
Iridium plugs.


Bother are going to do sod all to a 50cc.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 20 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong,
Next time you get some time
insted of putting in 95 octane fuel in sainsburys
go to shell and put in some Vpower which is like 101 octane.
My bike goes like stink, and accelerates soo much better.
And the plug issue, im pretty sure better plugs do make a good difference.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 20 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Wrong,
Next time you get some time
insted of putting in 95 octane fuel in sainsburys
go to shell and put in some Vpower which is like 101 octane.
My bike goes like stink, and accelerates soo much better.
And the plug issue, im pretty sure better plugs do make a good difference.


High octane fuel ignites later. It really isn't flying when you put 101 octane fuel in. Probably just your imagination.

Iridium plugs don't do anything for 2 strokes. They are designed for 4 strokes.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 20 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Wrong,
Next time you get some time
insted of putting in 95 octane fuel in sainsburys
go to shell and put in some Vpower which is like 101 octane.
My bike goes like stink, and accelerates soo much better.
And the plug issue, im pretty sure better plugs do make a good difference.


I don't think V power is 101 octane. I'd say it was 98. Tescos do 99 octane which I think is the highest octane rating on the market atm.

It might be better in your bike because its full of detergents which probably help to clean all the crap out of your carb and possibly off of the piston and exhaust too.

Octane rating doesn't make anything faster unless a) its had an increase in compression ( enough to make a difference anyway, in which case lower octane fuel wouldn't work at all) or, b) it has a knock sensor and can run advanced ignition timing or more boost from a turbo.

High octane fuel won't make a 50cc go faster. Except by maybe Placebo effect.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 20 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

O right,
felt faster and more responsive to me,
deffo works for turbo cars as thats what all speed trials do along with their hks drag fuel

and for reference
V-Power has a rating of 99 RON,
From wiki
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 21 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

shell v power makes a hell of a difference to my bike.
so much crisper and more responsive.
but i dont think it makes it any faster.
spose it would help if my speedo was working Neutral
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 21 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As i've said before it won't make any difference. It's all in your imagination because the adverts say it's better.

It is only better in high compression engines as the fuel egnites under a higher compression.

If 95 RON is used in high compression engines detonation can occur.

Using any higher than 95 RON in a 50cc will probably make the bike slower as it is harder to ignite.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 21 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
As i've said before it won't make any difference.


Sorry but you are wrong! It makes a big difference to your wallet. Wink

As to speeding up a moped, a tailwind will make more of a difference that Iridium plugs and high octane fuel.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 21 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

KEErist there's some utter bollocks about octane posted in here.

Using a higher octane fuel without any other modifications to take advantage of the higher octane does 2 things

Makes the engine harder to start owing to the fuel being less volatile

Makes the engine run a bit smoother owing to the fuel being less volatile

& a 3rd thing if you run leaded Avgas etc:
Makes it smell nice & turns the inside of the exhaust white.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 21 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

trust me it makes a difference, either that or the the other fuel i buy is shite Wink
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 21 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joeb46 wrote:
trust me it makes a difference, either that or the the other fuel i buy is shite Wink


It's just a pseudo effect. Because you are told it makes your bike faster you think when you use it your bike is going faster and running smoother. It's psychological.

I'm willing though for the benefit of everyone to fill my next tank up with it and tell you any differences I feel.

Should be interesting to see if I get the pseudo effect of the bike being faster as I don't actually think it will make my bike faster. It'll either be the same or slower.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 29 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:

It's just a pseudo effect.


Placebo. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 28 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got a yamaha jog rr 50cc, its LC and only ways 79 kg dry weight, it went 43 mph when restricted.

i would say buy a carbon fiber reed box, go for some 3.5g rollers or maybe 3g if u want really fast aceleracion but not so good top end.
also buy 3 new clutch spings and a new tork spring.
a cavalier race belt, might be more but will last longer so all good.
um a 5mm fuel pipe, also u could get a bigger jet i incrusted mine by 20 sizes for the exhausted alone.

as u have a yamaha i would only recommend molosi part to you, get a molosi variator (hard to find but well worth the trouble) could go for a half or a quarter throttle if u really wana fly like a mad man, um could always go down the rought of making it lighter but thats allot of money.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 29 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

buchan69 wrote:
i got a yamaha jog rr 50cc, its LC and only ways 79 kg dry weight, it went 43 mph when restricted.

i would say buy a carbon fiber reed box, go for some 3.5g rollers or maybe 3g if u want really fast aceleracion but not so good top end.
also buy 3 new clutch spings and a new tork spring.
a cavalier race belt, might be more but will last longer so all good.
um a 5mm fuel pipe, also u could get a bigger jet i incrusted mine by 20 sizes for the exhausted alone.

as u have a yamaha i would only recommend molosi part to you, get a molosi variator (hard to find but well worth the trouble) could go for a half or a quarter throttle if u really wana fly like a mad man, um could always go down the rought of making it lighter but thats allot of money.


Thanks for digging up this two year old thread.
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