Carrying on from the gym threads...

[Visitor Q]

Two things;

Most importantly, how can you tell if weight you're gaining is muscle or fat. What kind of rate of growth can you expect? I came back from Mozam a month ago ~13.7, and now I'm bouncing between 13.10 and 14... and just now I was 14.3

I've been abusing the gym 3 days a week, but I tend to eat more on days I don't go to the gym, because I'm so totally fucking bored.

I've noticed a big strength increase over the last month, and what confuses me is I can now pound out dips and chin ups merrily, when I've never been any good at them. So it can't /all/ be unemployment gut But I certainly don't feel as skinny anymore. Any tips oh gym knowledge people?

Two. What the fuck is up with the veins My forearms have started getting covered in bulging veins when I do any bicep stuff. They stay up for the whole workout, and eventually go down after a few hours. Is it blood pressure or the muscle pushing them up, or both? New to having low enough body fat % to see them
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[MattHirst]

I'm no gym geek but your veins will do that. Your heart rate and blood pressure will go up when you are working out. Also when you start to get a bit hot, your veins/blood vessels will come to the surface of your skin to try and cool down.

But it's mainly your increase in blood pressure as your muscles are working and require more oxygen, your heart pumps more blood around your body and at a quicker pace, hence your veins swelling a little and being more pronounced.
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[Visitor Q]

Lol, no roids anymore my dear. Only tried a month, and not safe for me to drink whilst on them Funnily enough it was whilst on them that I first noticed the veins poking up. But that was years back.

Matt, that could be right, but I can spend ages on a punch bag and nothing will happen. Do 5 chin ups or a couple of set of bicep work and bosh, veins all over the place.

And yes, the are pretty cool But it's confusing me.
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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

Veins coming to the surface are primarily to do with heat dissapation, not the pressure.

Changing weight over the course of the day is normal. Depends how much food you can hold, liquid also plays a big part. Half a stone change in a person of your build isnt uncommon.

Only way you can tell if it's muscle or fat is by measuirng body fat percentage. The rate of growth is dependant on diet, training and genetics.

[GhostRider]

How to tell whether the gains are Muscle or fat? The mirror is your friend. Looking at the scales is pointless. Average
muscle gain I can't remember but I think it's 1-2lb a week, though obviously this will plateau which will require alterations in diet and routine.

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[Visitor Q]

The mirror is not my friend, it is evil. I can look in the mirror without noticing any change for 2 stone Old frog in a pot brought to boil adage. I look slightly more doughy and muffin toppy, but only slightly. And yet veins are now popping up all over the place, and like I say, I can do the two power:weight bastards (dips and pull ups) a lot better then when I started

My diet is fairly eclectic, and mainly involves guilt, but I got bitched at for not eating enough when I first got back and trained hard. I don't feel like I'm going to fall over constantly now, which is better But now the 'I'm ballooning' paranoia returns

Even if it was 2lb a week (which seems high) that would barely cover the gain, so a lot of it has to be fat But like I say, I was seriously malnourished in Mozam for a lot of it. Bless em. But I dropped a lot of muscle over there aswell, so it's not beyond the pale.

You see. Far easier to work out when I was a fat fuck Weight must go down, job done. Now... bah.

Reuben, if the veins just pop up for heat dissipation, why isn't the skin flushing (capillary heat loss is much more efficient), and why are the veins only coming up after specific exercises (ones that cause bicep failure essentialy)... ?

And this amuses me, men cope with the idea of bouncing weight all over the place. Who else here then sniggers like a bitch when a woman triumphantly tells you they've 'lost 1lb this week'
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[JonB]

I don't think going to the gym increases blood pressure, so pretty sure that isn't the cause of highly visible veins. I think maybe bonny is that you actually have less fat on you and your veins are able to show. That was certainly the case for myself.

BTW, I have scales that measure body fat, muscle and water in addition to weight and that is obviously a good indicator of what is going on.

I haven't cycled for a while, so have lost muscle, but gained fat, but am about the same weight. Yet clothes are getting tight again, I just need some motivation to get running/cycling again.
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[Visitor Q]

My veins are still sticking up a bit, and it's been 48 hours

Oh, and I weighed myself on the same scales when I got up today. 13.12... How the fuck does one lose 5 lbs overnight
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[Visitor Q]

[N.C]

The most muscle the body can create a month is ~2 lbs give or take .2lbs

If you are gaining more than this a month you are also gaining fat.

Gaining muscle without gaining fat takes STRICT calorie control, pro BBers don't even gain no fat whilst gaining muscle.

As far as losing 5 lbs overnight, very easy, this is called morning weight.

People's weights fluctuate 5lbs over the day. Main reasons being water weight and epic turds.

the only real exception to these rules is possibly when you return to working out after a lay off, "muscle memory" can trigger fairly rapid growth in size and strength

[GhostRider]

[N.C]

[Visitor Q]

[N.C]

Also the only other thing i would say is, dont get so worked up about balooning, it's probably mainly water weight your seeing.

But like i said earlier 1-2 lbs of muscle takes 4 weeks to build
But 1-2lbs of fat can be lost in a week on a 40/40/20, 2000 cal diet without any muscle loss

[Visitor Q]

[Visitor Q]

[N.C]

Not all steroids obviously, there are lots of different ones, so if you took winstrol or whatever to aid with fat loss it isn't that.

But if you took something like tren that increases blood flow to the muscles dramatically, it basically just supercharging points 1-3.
But i cant personally see that affecting you now after 2 years.

tbh i think its this.

Most people get increased vascularity when they cut bodyfat down below 10% for the first time being the first time they notice it but this is usually more gradual.
Some people (those cvnts who never put on fat even when bulking) get increased vascularity steadily through gradual muscle increase and years of regular weight programs.

However because the most likely scenario being your muscle memory has trigger fairly rapid growth in muscle without much fat gain. Now the body is having to flow blood to your muscles like it hasn't done for a while whilst your muscles are growing faster than the body would probably like. As it's been a less gradual process im guessing veins have increased as the bodies way of dealing with it.

once you reach nearer the muscle size or a little bit smaller than you were before then you should start 'growing into' the veins when such a demand of blood isn't needed

tl;dr
it shouldn't be a major cause of concern

[Visitor Q]

[N.C]

no problem mate

best of luck with your goals!

[AngelGrinder]

Just a small hi-jack....

I find doing chin-ups actually hurts my palms and fingers more than the actual burn from doing the exercise.

I've got alot better at them...can probably do 2 sets of 10 ok now, but it still absolutely kills my palms/fingers (I use beams at work so can alternate between using the round bar, or the flat beam).

When will my hands man up?
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