About Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere

[kawashima]

At last XT1200Z super tenere was released on the Yamaha HP.
But I was disappointed at its wet weight of 261kg. This is +38kg heavier than TDM900.
TDM900 is a very light weight bike, and I don't need second bike(small bike), but with 261kg bike, I may want second bike sometimes.
I think Parallel twin's pros are compactness and lightness.
I hope yamaha will make TDM1200 and TRX1200 with lighter weight.

What I'm curious
-Bottom end torque
(TDM900 doesn't have enough bottom end torque.)
-4valve
(TDM900 was 5valve)
-Wind protection
Wind screen doesn't look so big.

What do you think of this 1200cc bike/engine?
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[Itchy]

Its a road bike...

Its a replay of 4x4 type cars, in that the big cc adventure bike was popularised by LWR and people who will never take them off the road buy them, i.e is it bandwagoning for fashion purposes. A bloke nearby for example I went on a ride out with him, he has a BMWGS he turned round when the road was slightly wet with leaves, I was on the CBR and continued on my merry way.

Granted there is a small portion of bikers and 4x4 drivers who will take such bikes off the road, such as the polish blokes who did the BAM road on Africa twins and Tiffany who took her 280kilo bike around the world 4 times. But the number of people who do this stuff vs those who will just ride them on the road is limited.

Most people will keep them on the road and thus the off road performance and the weight isn't an issue.


This has been repeated lots of times, hard alloy panniers for example were popularised by LWR, the Zega ones are good, but tons of people have them for fashion purposes and they fall apart as they are badly made.



While for adventuring people will use whatever is to hand, like that SR500 I saw in Siberia which had no ground clearance at all and was so heavily overloaded it had no suspension travel, or that silly sod I saw on the Mongolian Steppe on a fairly new goldwing.



Had a look on the Yam website defo a road bike:

Close fitting front mud guard low ground clearance, exceptionally vulnerable radiator / CDI, plastic cases, Shaft drive (hard to fix OTR) Low exhaust, acres of plastic to break no gators and short travel suspension.

Given the choice of a 20 year old XTZ750 I'd take the XTZ750 which weighs much less and has been proven (some bloke took one across the Sahara).
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[pa_broon74]

It looks like a varadero, to fat for proper off road use.

Why would you need 1200cc for rough roading anyway, even for dual use it makes little sense. My 650 sits at 80 quite happily on motorways indefinitely.

I might be biased though, I like my wee single cylinder bikes.


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[Smooth]

If the BMW GS is equivalent to a Range Rover, the Tenere 1200 is the equivalent to an (BMW) X5 with, er, phat alloys.
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[Itchy]

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[pa_broon74]

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Annoyingly what my KTM more needs than an extra gear (it has six already) is wider ratios - I believe the GS (if it uses the same gearing as the G650) actually has a wider differentiation between first and top gear.
The KTM is fine geared for a (theoretical) top speed of around 125mph for road use, but ideally I'd have a lower first gear than standard for off-roading along with the higher top.

[hmmmnz]

its a shame they have fucked this up so badly,
its wicked that it has a shaftie, and side mounted rads, but i have no idea how they managed to get the bike up to 261kg, thats heavier than my v4 vf1000 form the early 80's

they really needed to put a 21" on the front, increased the suspension travel, given the bike a bit more clearance,
and done away with about 60kg
the ktm990 adventure r is so much more bike for the money

even the bmw is a better all round bike

im not sure how yamaha has managed to make a more compact engine but still managed to make the bike 50kg heavier than the other 2 big names

i won't be buying one
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[BanditJeff]

[chris-red]

I would have said belts are simpler less moving parts and less maintainence.
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[hmmmnz]

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A diff - surely it's just a basic gear, what with there not being two wheels getting power?

I wouldn't have an issue with them on such bikes, apart from the weight penalty, which is pretty important to my mind.

Oh and telling people you ride a 'big shaftie' has never been my idea of manliness .

[Itchy]

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[Dom]

I have to say, I think it looks fucking cool. The idea of an adventure bike with Japanese reliability is very appealing too. By the sound of it it'll be far too heavy to take off road though, and a side-mounted rad seems like the kind of idea that hasn't been tried before simply because it's stupid. By the sound of it it's a good 60kg heavier than my 950!

If I was in the market for a GS this would definitely have me aiming for a Yamaha dealer instead though:
https://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk/Images/2010-yamaha-XT1200Z-Super-Tenere_VPBC5_studio_006_tcm46-356219.jpg

It's just a shame there won't be any demo bikes cause I'd love to give one a try. I bet it would be a lot of fun on the road, but the weight thing would put me right off taking it out on muddy stuff, which seems to render the whole thing pointless. Why not get a bike which will be similarly good/better on the road like a Multistrada, Tiger or Varadero?

And that price…
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[chris-red]

It looks good I just wonder about the weight, I wouldn't want something much heavier than the TDM.
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