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StevenF
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: How many miles per day? Reply with quote

If you were going touring Europe for example. How many miles would you like to do on average per day? Were not just talking about blasting one place to the next, but actually enjoying the ride and scenery on the way.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would depend, you could do 20 miles and find somewhere you just have to stay or could do 200 miles before getting bored and setting up camp.

Tonight i'm on a ferry to frogland, 8am we arrive and by evening i'll be camping near spanish border after 500 miles, next night other side of spain and then portugal for a week.
Coming back i'm going via spanish coastal route, gibraltar, benidorm and will go through andorra as well so will take 4/5 days getting back to blighty
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no hard or fast rule. All depends on what you want to do/see and how long you are going for.

For example I usually go for 2 weeks at a time to party and get drunk with Eastern European girls. I've seen most of the sights so i'm just there to have fun, not expand my cultural horizons.

I generally do 3000m in 16 days which works out at 180+ each day. Of course I stay a couple of destinations for 4 or so days each, so my actually in saddle mileage is much higher.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends, but generally we have found a 200-250 miles a day to be a good estimation in Europe if there are no border crossing.

In practice, our daily travels have varied from 30 to 1000 miles a day Very Happy It all depends about the conditions. If you drive on mountain roads in Bulgaria, 200 miles a kind of a top if you appreciate your health & want to stop to look around every now and then. If you are driving on Polish coutry side on summer time, it can be 350 miles for a long day.

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PostPosted: 17:08 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked King hell! i thought i was going to be doing a lot of miles if i did a 100!
looking at what you lot are saying, thats nothing.

then again i wont be going abroard, mine will be round Britan.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bramble43 wrote:
It would depend, you could do 20 miles and find somewhere you just have to stay or could do 200 miles before getting bored and setting up camp.

Tonight i'm on a ferry to frogland, 8am we arrive and by evening i'll be camping near spanish border after 500 miles, next night other side of spain and then portugal for a week.
Coming back i'm going via spanish coastal route, gibraltar, benidorm and will go through andorra as well so will take 4/5 days getting back to blighty


I suppose it just depends where you are and what you're interested in seeing that day - enjoy your trip! Wink

c-m wrote:
There is no hard or fast rule. All depends on what you want to do/see and how long you are going for.

For example I usually go for 2 weeks at a time to party and get drunk with Eastern European girls. I've seen most of the sights so i'm just there to have fun, not expand my cultural horizons.

I generally do 3000m in 16 days which works out at 180+ each day. Of course I stay a couple of destinations for 4 or so days each, so my actually in saddle mileage is much higher.


I wasn't asking for a rule but more of what people are comfortable or prefer to do Smile I was thinking around 300miles a day myself, but realise this might be a big ambitious if I would like to do some sight seeing.

Oskari wrote:
It depends, but generally we have found a 200-250 miles a day to be a good estimation in Europe if there are no border crossing.

In practice, our daily travels have varied from 30 to 1000 miles a day Very Happy It all depends about the conditions. If you drive on mountain roads in Bulgaria, 200 miles a kind of a top if you appreciate your health & want to stop to look around every now and then. If you are driving on Polish coutry side on summer time, it can be 350 miles for a long day.


Yea I think that might be reasonable, about 250miles per day sounds good Smile

The reason I ask is I'm starting my new career in June and hopefully be in it for life. I haven't done much travelling so want to try and squeeze a little Europe trip in before I start (hopefully). Might not go ahead but I really want it to! Very Happy I've plotted a few places I would like to visit and put them into Google maps - thoughts?

UK
Home to Dover – 487 miles - 8hrs 20mins
Dover to Calais – Boat

France
Calais to Paris – 211 miles - 4hrs 4mins
Paris to Aix-les-Bains – 356 miles - 5hrs 17mins

Italy
Aix-les-Bains to Milan – 223 miles - 3hrs 56mins
Milan to Rome – 365 miles - 5hrs 36min
Rome to Lake Garda – 351 miles - 5hrs 27mins
Lake Garda to Lugano – 125 miles - 2hrs 16mins

Switzerland
Lugano to Interlaken – 136 miles - 2hrs 34mins
Interlaken to Calais – 560 miles - 8hrs 9mins

UK
Dover – Home 487 miles - 8hrs 20mins

Just have to work out if I can get enough money together for the trip and things like that. I reckon that could be done in 2 weeks.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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UK
Home to Dover – 487 miles - 8hrs 20mins
Dover to Calais – Boat

France
Calais to Paris – 211 miles - 4hrs 4mins
Paris to Aix-les-Bains – 356 miles - 5hrs 17mins

Italy
Aix-les-Bains to Milan – 223 miles - 3hrs 56mins
Milan to Rome – 365 miles - 5hrs 36min
Rome to Lake Garda – 351 miles - 5hrs 27mins
Lake Garda to Lugano – 125 miles - 2hrs 16mins

Switzerland
Lugano to Interlaken – 136 miles - 2hrs 34mins
Interlaken to Calais – 560 miles - 8hrs 9mins

UK
Dover – Home 487 miles - 8hrs 20mins

Just have to work out if I can get enough money together for the trip and things like that. I reckon that could be done in 2 weeks.


Well, it depends what you really want to see... just klicking places in google map is not that good idea (except for rough planning), and if you want to take a motorbike trip, consider twice the big cities like Milan & Rome... traffic is like hell and may ruin all your plans. Better to leave your bike somewhere else and take a train for a day trip if you are interested the sights in the cities. Google times never really work either, they are just an estimate.

I usually have a rough estimate about the day trips ahead, but they never have worked out in practice as sometimes you want to travel a bit longer, sometimes a bit less. Anyways, you should have some kind of image what you want to do and where to go (as you seem to have, although I'd really think twice the big cities)

And you always should have an extra day per week to travel, just in case (so that if you need to fix your bike or you want to party one day more it wont wreck your schedule).
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a two week trip, you'll struggle to stay any length of time in more than 2 places (3 max), everything else will be on the bike, getting to those places via some nice routes and stop offs to set up camp for night and rest.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see what you mean about the big cities but I don't really like the idea of leaving my bike and luggage. Can anyone suggest a route/places to visit? Looking for a Europe trip, 2 week max and main interest is scenery. Would like to base it around Italy or the Alps. Question
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

most important thing to rember is dont set times and mileages just see ware the day takes you if u find someware u like and wana stay a day do it enjoy it its ment to be fun
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 basic ways of doing s trip. Either on the hoof and see where you end up, or plan in advance aiming stop off points or things to see on the way.
I recon on about 200-250 miles a day especially if you want to enjoy the smaller roads. Also you have to add in fiel, food and photo stops.
If doing daily trips 8 hours a day is enough then a day off half way through your trip.
Its your trip so decide what you want though, after each trip you find out more what you want and can stand so the next one is usually better.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

We did on average 3-400 miles a day travelling from one place to another, but as has been said, on the nice twisty roads you tend to less miles but over a longer time. A lot depends on where you are going and what you see along the way and how long you stop to admire the views.
We went from Ceva in Italy to Gap in France was one of our longest days for riding, it took us over 6 hours but was only just over 200miles in distance.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bramble43 wrote:

Coming back i'm going via spanish coastal route, gibraltar, benidorm and will go through andorra as well so will take 4/5 days getting back to blighty


Keep an eye out for Sticky Vicky. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bramble43 wrote:

Coming back i'm going via spanish coastal route, gibraltar, benidorm and will go through andorra as well so will take 4/5 days getting back to blighty


Keep an eye out for Sticky Vicky. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 07 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

StevenF wrote:
I see what you mean about the big cities but I don't really like the idea of leaving my bike and luggage. Can anyone suggest a route/places to visit? Looking for a Europe trip, 2 week max and main interest is scenery. Would like to base it around Italy or the Alps. Question


Havent been driving (yet) in those countries, but I've heard that French countryside around wine areas is quite something... although you should have that two weeks solely for that Wink

A suggestion: Buy Lonely Planet Europe or Western Europe, read about the countries you want to visit and mark the sights you A) really must see and B) you'd like to see. Search more information from books, forums like this, from sites like virtual tourist, friends or friends friends who live in the countries etc. Then open Google Earth, add to your own map the locations and start to squeeze your route for the limits that you can do in two weeks, remember to add a lot of air in timetable. Be prepared to throw the plan out of the window... errr... use it to fire up your trangia if you find something more interesting. That's what we did for our previous three week trip and what we are currently doing for our three or so month trip.

To summary: make a nice plan and learn a lot beforehands about the country and dont stick on it if you find reality to be different. The more you are prepared, the easier it is to chance your plans. That's what happened to our 3h visit with a coffee break in Kosovo (ended up to stay a day and a night there).

For leaving bike and visiting cities: go to a small village with a hotel or hostel on a bus route or near railway station about 1h away the city. Go there to sleep two nights, so you can pretty safely leave the bike to the hotel (which usually have closed gates etc.) and have one full day between to see the sights. U can use the go part to read about sights from the LP and back part to have a nice cold beer. Smile

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PostPosted: 13:13 - 09 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

When we were travelling around Europe we were comfortable doing about 200 miles a day. This was mostly on country roads, taking our time, stopping for lunch etc. and having a couple of days off a week.

When planning I would not expect to travel further than this on average to allow for sightseeing / stuff going wrong etc.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 09 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sometimes aim for more miles but that is using motorways. Getting away from the ports I push a bit further, to get to some warm weather and better roads. On the return trip I tend to make a dash home so hit the mororways a bit then too.
500-600 miles is not impossible but not much fun and hard work.
200-250 is a good distance to aim at. I usually fail though and end up doing 300+ miles and regret it.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 14 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooopsie

Here i am sat in the hotel in the Algarve while the rain lashes down outside Laughing

Had a couple of good days travel, second day was a lot slower as i was doing a bit of touristing around biarritz

https://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/bramble43/Imgp0538-2.jpg

https://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/bramble43/Imgp0589-2.jpg

Will add more piccies soon to a thread near you
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 15 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that if you sit on a motorway you can travel fast and cover large distances but whats the point. If I want to get anywhere fast and not see anything or enjoy the roads/scenery I fly.
There are 2 different tourers ones that want to get as far as possible in a straight line or the ones that want to travel slower and enjoy the roads and countryside.
Personally I find motorway travel pointless, sometimes essential, but best avoided if touring. The journeys the point not distance.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 17 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't be doing with all the 'in depth' planning lark. Im off at the beginning of june for two or three weeks. All I know for sure.. and this is the extent of my 'planning' - is a leisurely ride over two days from Nottingham down to somewhere near Baden-Baden. find a campsite - couple of days +/- in the Black forest. Then off again heading for the Allgau. couple of days +/- there.. then cut across Austria and head for the Dolomites... with I'm hoping a side trip for a couple of days to the coast and up at the crack of dawn for a day trolling in Venice... then start thinking about the direction to take for home... I'm not thinking that far ahead yet. Basically I will follow my nose and make it up as I go along. Motorway form here to Baden.. and then not another mile of it until I'm back in Blighty. In short the whole trip.. after that initial 'drudge' will be a leisurely 'Bimble'.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 17 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

barnhatter wrote:
I know that if you sit on a motorway you can travel fast and cover large distances but whats the point. If I want to get anywhere fast and not see anything or enjoy the roads/scenery I fly.
There are 2 different tourers ones that want to get as far as possible in a straight line or the ones that want to travel slower and enjoy the roads and countryside.
Personally I find motorway travel pointless, sometimes essential, but best avoided if touring. The journeys the point not distance.
That is a tomtom, How do you get that page up, can you do it on a Rider 2?


If you fly then you can't ride around at will when you get there.

What if you want to get to country quickly ten ride around that country and explore it. Then flying is pointless, and the only way to get there quickly is to use motorways.

Or it could be that you've already to been to France Germany Spain multiple times so have no interest in seeing those countries and hence need to blast through to get to the good stuff.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 17 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I can understand the desire too get to new places. I quite fancy Morrocco, but its a bit far to do in the time I have and riding my bike. A Hornet is hard work on those distances that you did.
I can see a Pan will eat big distances.
The difference I felt was when following some big tourers in Italy, I could keep up with them okay for quite a few miles but eventually got tired and dropped off the pace.
Need a larger different bike, cost is the problem at the moment.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 24 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Work out where you want to go and how to get there first... then once you have the distance sorted at a rough guestimate allow an average of 50 mph following Minor A roads in most of Western Europe, to allow for towns and villages, and 30mph when you hit the twisties in the Alps/Pyrenees/Dolomites.

Anyone getting an average of 80 MPH will have square tires from all the boring Autoroute/peage work. If you are flashing through that quick you may as well save the ferry fair and stay in the UK Very Happy
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