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| Kennypa4 |
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 Posted: 18:39 - 07 May 2010 Post subject: Adding a K&n filter |
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I have Installed a K & N Filter to my bandit 600s not really for the reason to gain power as such i just wanted a low maintainance solution instead of buying a standard filter .
Now when i did this the the bike ended up running like a coo . everytime i put a bit of throttle in the engine died a wee bit then took of like stink . So i am running lean Now i was told i would have to re- jet the bike to fix this but i have also been told I can adjust the mix myself and balance the carbs . Anyone any more the wiser that can help me . I have to gear to adjust and balance and have done it in the past .
thanks for any replies in advance
Kenny ____________________ Kenny
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Kenny Try the Mix screw first as it sound's as if it gettin to much air now and Balancein them wont harm it as well If this dont work then yes u will need to rejet the carbs mate ____________________ If you require a mechanic then I am your man. Bike collection and recovery service available. Don't let a monkey work on your bike, call the family run business on 07778 873 184 01505684994 https://www.rdbikes.co.uk info@rdbikes.co.uk |
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Dynojet make the jetting kits that are designed to go with K&N filters.
They make a big fuss on the instructions of pointing out that neither the dynojet kit, nor the filter makes any difference to the slow running circuit on the bike. If it is having trouble at idle, it is due to something other than the kit.
As such, adjusting the mixture screw will make bugger all difference.
Raising or lowering the throttle needles may well make a difference. Could be running lean, or might be bogging because it's running rich.
If the one for my VFR is anthing to go by, the taper on a dynojet throttle needle is very different to the standard one. The jet kit also contains stronger springs for above the carb diaphragms which will make the throttle valve open more slowly.
It might be that the increased airflow from the filter is banging the throttle fully open too quickly against the standard spring, making it gulp fuel and bog slightly before setting off like a scalded cat (it's the volume of air moving through a CV carb that opens the throttle valve, the throttle control itself regulates the size of opening that air can pass in through). ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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The mixture screw adjusts the air / fuel ratio on a closed throttle. The idle screw adjusts the tickover speed.
Kenny.
Have you refitted the old filter to see if the problem goes away?
Does it do it mainly on the overrun or when the throttle is open?
Just to add to Stinks post, make sure that the airbox connections haven't been disturbed. Check that it is still connected to the carbs correctly. Generally check for any air leaks around the carb and airbox boots using a bit of WD40 or similar.
If you have the equipment then just do it. Just synch the carbs and then turn the mixture screw out half a turn. If it doesn't work then it will only take minutes to turn it back.
To adjust the needle just fit a small washer, about 0.5mm thick, underneath the spacer that is already fitted. |
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The mixture screw adjusts the air / fuel ratio on a closed throttle. The idle screw adjusts the tickover speed.
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I read it as:
"The mixture screw is only good for adjusting the mixture at idle speed, and not much more."
I thought it was pretty obvious in the given context? |
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| Marki wrote: |
The mixture screw adjusts the air / fuel ratio on a closed throttle. The idle screw adjusts the tickover speed.
Kenny.
Have you refitted the old filter to see if the problem goes away?
Does it do it mainly on the overrun or when the throttle is open?
Just to add to Stinks post, make sure that the airbox connections haven't been disturbed. Check that it is still connected to the carbs correctly. Generally check for any air leaks around the carb and airbox boots using a bit of WD40 or similar.
If you have the equipment then just do it. Just synch the carbs and then turn the mixture screw out half a turn. If it doesn't work then it will only take minutes to turn it back.
To adjust the needle just fit a small washer, about 0.5mm thick, underneath the spacer that is already fitted. |
Hi it is only the filter i have replaced no jets as yet.
I have a carbon can Co Exhaust fitted and baffle still in, no air leaks . I Put the K & N back on today balanced the carbs and also adjusted mixture it got a good bit better but still had a flat spot at 5000 revs not as bad as it was. I Ended up taking it out again and going back to standard set up carbs to factory again think i will leave well alone to be honest re jetting is a bit over kill. I just wanted the filter as i heard they were good and low maintainance .
Thanks ever so much everyone who replied
Ps running like a dream again with Standard set up just seems to be the filter thats the problem ____________________ Kenny
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