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Swim41
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Possible major problem with brand new bike Reply with quote

I took the plunge and bought a new YBR125 for the daily commute. Picked it up on Saturday and have just been giving it a wipe down when I noticed what appeared to be corrosion on a joint on the head stock. Anyway have gone all over the bike frame and where ever there is welding there are silvery/coppery traces. Doesn't seem quite like the usual iron oxide rust but I am extremely concerned all the same. In some places though it almost looks like droplets of liquid splashed on the weld rather than rust though it won't scrape off with fingernail. Perhaps residue from the manufacturing process?

Or is it corrosion? If it is, there's so much of it the bike will be a wreck within months.

This is the weld around the rear suspension mount:

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PostPosted: 18:35 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll just be copperslip grease won't it?

That's what it looks like on the top pic.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not corrosion, it is however a shockingly sh1te spray job!! Shocked

Looks to me like the paint hasn't taken properly - probably due to oil or other deposits on the metal!! Sad

Does it look unsightly - yes ... do I think it is a problem that requires concern because it is dangerous - no! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like what is left of the protective coating on the frame from when it was stored usually a hardish wax.and not been clleaned of when it was cleaned.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to laugh at the dog shit welding and the spatter all over it in the second pic. I'd get crucified if I turned out something like that.

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PostPosted: 18:50 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, as Rob says, the little balls that wont scrap off with your fingernail is spatter from the original welding. Where are the YBR's made, far east? Venezuela? Angola? Someones pidgeon shed?
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob ZX4R wrote:
Shocked


Indeed. I knew the YBR was made in China, but had assumed that, being a Yamaha, it would be made to a good standard.

Anyway what I am worried about is rust setting in on a brand new machine. Planning to go down to the dealer and complain about it tomorrow.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thought If the bike is new take it back to the dealer.your still within your return period.cmd can possibly get an exchange.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can just imagine it can't you, "Hey, Wan King, splatter us a bit of weld on here can you". Far eastern bike steel welding has always looked like pigeon-shit, dunno why, their alloy welding looks superb.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, it is going to rust to buggery or is OK? Doesn't seem acceptable on a brand new Yamaha.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

it looks like the paint or powdercoat has been applied over oil or grease and its just not taken in places.
i would not be too happy with it on a brand new bike as it will start to rust once it gets wet.
take it back and mention it to the supplying dealer mate after all if it does rust bad it will effect its resale price in a year or 2
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trouble is that with it being in many places on the bike it seems unlikely that it can be rectified without the dealer completely stripping the bike down and repainting the frame.

This is something that I could do without right now.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob ZX4R wrote:
Have to laugh at the dog shit welding and the spatter all over it in the second pic. I'd get crucified if I turned out something like that.

Shocked


you and me both. if i dreamed of letting shite like that through i think id immediatly start looking for a new job
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a protective wax coating applied after paint that hasn't been cleaned off properly.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Its a protective wax coating applied after paint that hasn't been cleaned off properly.


It won't budge. I'm almost certain it's unpainted metal beginning to corrode. I'm going to take it to the dealers tomorrow and see what they have to say.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Its a protective wax coating applied after paint that hasn't been cleaned off properly.


Do you work for Yamaha? Very Happy

Its weld spatter, it looks just like it, it wont come off without a chisel, or weld hammer, or file, or summat else hard and made of steel. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swim41 wrote:
The trouble is that with it being in many places on the bike it seems unlikely that it can be rectified without the dealer completely stripping the bike down and repainting the frame.

This is something that I could do without right now.


The hard dots around the weld are spatter, the shiny copper/silvery parts looks like bits where the paint hasn't gone on properly to leavve a gap exposing bare metal.

Whilst it is annoying to have to wait, them selling a bike that hasn't been finished properly isn't your responsibility. Take it down and demand they sort it quick.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't let the piss poor welding fool you, my YBR is still running strong doing everything it's supposed to Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy Balthorpe wrote:
Its weld spatter, it looks just like it, it wont come off without a chisel, or weld hammer, or file, or summat else hard and made of steel. Rolling Eyes


Thanks. Neutral

Now go and read the original post.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those Photographs are dreadful.
You should be ashamed calling some poor auld Rice Muncher a shit welder.
If he were to see your shoddy pics he'd call you a shit Photoglapah. Razz

You maybe can reject the bike under the sale of goods act.

It is normally a bit of a hassle though. Where you will have to prove it's not fit for purpose.

They may offer to rectify if you accept then you have the worry that its not done properly.

But it's probably sound. I bought a new car that had Polish in the door seals. I was not happy about that as I didn't ask for polish in the door seals. I chinned them soon as I saw it and was asked to bring it back for a valet a week later. Whilst I scoffed their cakes and coffee in the sales room.
But I am a cnut.

I would mention to your dealer and ask them to give you an engineer's report in writing for the condition of the painting.
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
I bought a new car that had Polish in the door seals. I was not happy about that as I didn't ask for polish in the door seals.


I was going to make a joke about 'hoho, maybe they had tried to sneak into the country that way'...

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I chinned them


Until I read this bit. Laughing

Maybe it's like those double hulled ships where some child welders were sealed inside fitting the last panel?
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalangel wrote:
Walloper wrote:
I bought a new car that had Polish in the door seals. I was not happy about that as I didn't ask for polish in the door seals.


I was going to make a joke about 'hoho, maybe they had tried to sneak into the country that way'...

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I chinned them


Until I read this bit. Laughing

Maybe it's like those double hulled ships where some child welders were sealed inside fitting the last panel?


Speaking of Double Hulled Ship construction.
Having worked in many fields during my tenure with a major engine manufacturer I had occasion to visit the hull of a big boat being built at a boat builder's yard on the river Clyde. (I was looking for a welder to do a job for me on the same vessel) As we were making our way back up through the deck levels he said, 'it was nice to get a wee break from down there as someone had had a large shit in the place where he was working that day.' He said, 'he had about an hours welding before the compartment where the turd was could be sealed up.' Sick

It is traditional to take one's dump in the hull rather than to spend a hour to go to a durty shipyard lavie. Laughing
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