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Stowelly
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Front sprocket fell off whilest riding!!! Reply with quote

Ok I have a honda NSR 125, when it came to changing the chain and sprockets, id noticed that the previous owner had left the front sprocket on there, with no screws and no retainer clip (i had done over 2000 miles at this point) quite worrying, so put some fresh screws and new retainer clip in (done as tight as possible).

now im riding along today and all of a sudden lose all transmission, have to get the bike recovered, just got the fairing off and had a check, both the screws and the retainer clip where again missing, and the sprocket caught in a part of the frame.

any idea how this could happen?

in the gunk covering the sprocket cover it does look like there are a hell of a lot of bits of metal that looks identical to that of the screws, surely they couldnt just disintigrate though?

nightmare!!!!
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Those clips can come off easily. Had it happen a few times in the past (Honda seem to be the main ones using them, but not the only ones). Best to put loctite on the bolts between the clip and the sprocket.

All the best

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PostPosted: 16:31 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Front sprocket fell off whilest riding!!! Reply with quote

It's quite possible the bolt got caught inbetween the chain and sprocket both destroying the bolt and moving the sprocket off the shaft. Did it have a lock tab washer behind it or was it just a clip? I really can't see how it happened unless you only fingertightened the bolt Neutral

Can you get a pic of your front sprocket. It would be interesting to see the setup.

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PostPosted: 16:35 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sprocket and clip will easily get covered in chain lube, which is designed to stop stuff gripping. Clean it all with some petrol and a tooth brush before putting it back together.

Check your chain tension. A loose chain whipping about could help shake the sprocket and bolts loose.

As said above loctite helps.
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Stowelly
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks Keith, will keep that in mind!

Damon: cant get to the bike right this second, but could get a pic later if it is that important.

but basically it has the sprocket itself

this clip goes over it

https://images.wemoto.com/full/SPROCKET_FRONT_RETAINER/10004275.jpg

and then twists to the side behind some teeth to lock it in place, then this is screwed to the procket itself


https://www.kazumaracing.com/images/imagecache/375-283-FRONT%20SPROCKET02%28530-12T%29PANTHER200MD.jpg
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Damon
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh I see...

As above I would recommend a strong threadlock. Is the thread on the sprocket ok? If it was chewed up and not a close fit it could cause the bolts to vibrate out.
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Stowelly
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damon wrote:
Ahh I see...

As above I would recommend a strong threadlock. Is the thread on the sprocket ok? If it was chewed up and not a close fit it could cause the bolts to vibrate out.


threadlock?

was a brand new sprocket, and didnt notice anything odd with the thread.... well no different to any other screws on the bike!

is quite worrying that this could happen! quite fortunate the chain didnt lock up, was going quite quick round a tight corner when it happened
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Damon
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stowelly wrote:

threadlock?

was a brand new sprocket, and didnt notice anything odd with the thread.... well no different to any other screws on the bike!

is quite worrying that this could happen! quite fortunate the chain didnt lock up, was going quite quick round a tight corner when it happened


Threadlock
https://www.rap4.com/images/Threadlocker/Loctite_Threadlocker_Red.jpg

can be bought here

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Threadlock-High-grade-Thread-lock-Large-10ml-bottle-/360185554547?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item53dcbb6673
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be warned that the red loctite in the photo is designed as 'permanent' threadlock. If you intend to ever remove bolts with threadlock on them you should use the blue one.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Be warned that the red loctite in the photo is designed as 'permanent' threadlock. If you intend to ever remove bolts with threadlock on them you should use the blue one.


Also known as Loctite 243 Thumbs Up
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neil.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very lucky indeed...

Looks like the same mechanism as the YBR. Never had these bolts loosen or drop out though, but last time I changed the C&S (2nd time overall), I used 243 on the threads as I read about tgis happening and was paranoid. Are you torque-ing them up properly as well? Also, I had the opposite problem to you last time I took the front sprocket off - a stuck screw which I rounded off the head of...
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
use the blue one.

What he said.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 27 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is red but is 243. is it ok to use?

thanks

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PostPosted: 14:26 - 27 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stowelly wrote:


Yes that's it, and you'll find that the liquid inside the tube is blue! Wink
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