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PostPosted: 20:45 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: will a yami fs1e 100 seat fit a yami rxs 100 Reply with quote

hey guys just wanted to know if a yamaha fs1e seat will fit on a yamaha rxs100 as the seat pan on my rxs is rusted to f**k and cant find a replacement pan anywhere i can only find the seat cover....

but my father has got an old fs1e in his garden and the seat pan is in good cond so i was hopeing it would fit on my rxs100 and i would feel alot better if it does, cos im not gonna stand up whilst riding to and from wembley stadium lol

many thanks to all that reply.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Highly unlikely it will bolt straight on. You might be able to bodge it on, but suspect a replacement FS1E seat is worth more than one for an RXS100.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:00 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: not to bovered Reply with quote

not bovered bout getting a replacement fs1e seat as i only need the seat for my RXS100 so i can sit down to and from work, so having it bodged up dont bover me that much

thanks for ur reply
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure about this. I know the RD125 twin tank fits the RXS because I tried it once LOL Not much help, sorry.

RXS seats are hard to come by these days, because the bases just rust away no matter how much effort you make (layers of Hammerite and ACF50 count for nothing Shocked ). But you could bungee a Fizzy seat to the frame if necessary, so long as it wasn't bearing down on anything important, like the CDI. Short term bodge, obviously.

Talking about this reminded me of the time a mate tied two pillows to his MZ after the seat fell to bits Laughing Did the job, but a nightmare in the rain Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: i would Reply with quote

its a really good idea but i dont think the manager of wembley stadium would be happy if im walking in with some pillows lol
then he will ask me and ill turn round and say its for my bike i think ill get a sharp twat in my face lol Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have the same problem and as such, i'm not sure what to do.

Its an H100S2 as said before the seat base is rusted to f**k. and it just bends where it has started to crack through.

Does anyone know of anyone who reproduces these seats?.

Is there an alternative? Could i possibly get some sort of mould out of the old one, and make a new base somehow? Like fibreglassing and epoxy etc?
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the MZ guy put his pillows in a couple of heavy duty rubbish bags in the wet (seriously) Laughing The local breaker laughed so much when he appeared on the pillow bike that he gave him an old seat for nothing Laughing Cover was ripped, but some gaffa tape and black bags soon had it waterproof.

This is the kind of fun the wealthy will never experience Laughing

Regarding possible replacements - nothing doing. Looked all over. My current seat base has most of the spikes gone, but enough sound metal remained for me to put some self tapping screws in at strategic points for the cover to fix to. Works reasonably well. Better than cushions/pillows Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is an idea i might have to go with. if the fs1e seat dont fit or try making my own out of a bit of wood for a base or a new sheet of metal and drill holes in it to bolt it to the frame
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could almost certainly bodge the Fizzy seat to fit. I've used seats from one bike on others before quite a few times.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

how long would you say a bodged fizzy seat would last for on my rxs?
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did they even make a fizzy 100? I know they made a YB100 about the same time and the engine would fit a fizzy.
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PostPosted: 05:03 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

loudmatter wrote:
how long would you say a bodged fizzy seat would last for on my rxs?


Would depend. Anything that isn't firmly bolted on will be short term. But it my be possible to make some short brackets that allow the base to be fixed to the frame, in which case it should be fine and last well.
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:22 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
Just buy a new seat. If they were available for my X5 untill recently (last made 1982) then I'm sure there are a fre RXS ones knocking around NOS. People are lazy when it comes to tracking down bits. Fucking hell, you can still buy RD250 / 400 front mudguards brand new from Yamaha for about £50.


You can't get RXS seats, to my knowledge. Well, it may be possible to do a special order to Japan, but that would cost way more than any RXS left on the road is actually worth.

Air cooled RDs are collectable classics. The RXS is just an old if tough commuter bike. The availability of some spares is virtually nonexistent.

What I'd be inclined to do is go to a breaker with the old seat and have a scout round for something similar enough to fit your RXS. Lots of seats are interchangeable.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given a pattern it would be a relatively simple thing to have one or several copies manufactured. It's not as if it's a complicated part - bit of tin-bashing, some foam and a seat cover and there you go.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Given a pattern it would be a relatively simple thing to have one or several copies manufactured. It's not as if it's a complicated part - bit of tin-bashing, some foam and a seat cover and there you go.


I'll be first in line for a couple if any bugger decides to make them Laughing I did once modify an AR125 (I think) base and got it to fit on my old relic. Looked a bit mad (the cover was white) but worked OK.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm actually tempted to re make the seat bases of a couple of my old bikes.

I'm tempt to go for the half a mill thickness sheet and hammer into shape. Any easier ideas would be nice.

I can imagine it being alot of work. Probably would need a wide large rear wheel for hammering out the hump you find on most seats to clear the mudguard area. The rest could just be a flat base and holes drilled to reuse the rubber cones/packers etc
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 04 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0.5mm is too thin - you'd need 18 or 20 gauge at least. I'd make the pattern from MDF and lay the sheet over the top, bash down the edges and trim. Flat-tray bases would be easy to make but some are quite sculpted to give clearance and make them more rigid.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 04 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point kick was making is that decent FSIE parts are desirable & usually expensive.

DONT butcher a decent FS1E seat base, its worth money!

stick it on e-bay!

Use proceeds to find a better nic RSX seat on e-bay!

Or use another botch.

MDF, grp, or as suggested some hammer & dolly work on tin or ali to make up a more 'authentic' pattern eplacement!

More imaginitively, without so much dexterouse craft work....

After-Market body-work.

Race Plastic, or 'custom' parts from the catalogues!

Or even some scoring the breakers!

I mean.... find an Aprillia 50 with bent forks & dead engine, nick the tank & tail unit, wrap them round your rails for a street-fighter look, by reverse adaptation!

ANYTHING is possible.... bu 1st port of call would be a car body-shop...... see if any-one can apply a bit of mig or bronze and a few patches to make your old base sound for a bit of beer money!
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 04 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was an RXS seat on ebay for £60. There was something about it I didn't like, though. Can't remember what now. Probably the seller said it had a rusty base Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 04 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
.... but 1st port of call would be a car body-shop...... see if any-one can apply a bit of mig or bronze and a few patches to make your old base sound for a bit of beer money!


This is what i have done to my seat for the time being, its bloody hard work grafting on thin bits of sheet metal, as blowing holes is so easy without skill - well i'm 1/4 way there to prefecting it! Laughing

@ pete

20 guage steel is a bit thick, more like 22 - 24 is ideal as i can't see how I would hammer that into shape! I saw 18 guage about (1.2mm) and i couldn't even touch it! Surprised

Any suggestions for the mould? I have been thinking of casting the original out of a smooth concrete mix - like the one where you just add water and the whole mix just hardens - saw a bag of one at the bottom of the garden that was dumped by the previous tenants and i mean its in the shape of the bag it came out of!
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 05 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
Any suggestions for the mould? I have been thinking of casting the original out of a smooth concrete mix - like the one where you just add water and the whole mix just hardens - saw a bag of one at the bottom of the garden that was dumped by the previous tenants and i mean its in the shape of the bag it came out of!

Are we talking GRP here?
Yeah, had that idea a few times and for varouse different projects tried all sorts, from cement to plastser of paris.
Trouble with concrete, plast or paris, patch plastser, even poly-filler is how pourouse they are.
You get the form into the stuff, struggle to get your 'pattern' (original part!) out of it... then pain the mould with resin, and it soaks in........

Artists Clay
The 'propper' way of doing it, as all the instructionals we got in man'f-tek, is to use a 'slip'.... liquid clay, to dip your pattern in or paunt on, allow to harden, then you build up with more plastic artists clay.... allow to harden, THEN back with P.of.P to support teh shape.... 'fire' the mould to set it hard, and then if its a re-use mould glaze, if not start laying up in it.

Improvising with variouse substances, went round my aunt's who's an Art teacher..... got some 'self-setting' clay. its like propper clay but got like a grp resin in it, so it self hardens......

Used that to make the mold, let it set (cured it with a blow lamp!)

Layed up GRP resin in it..... broke the clay off when I had mi bit.

Not cheap at the art-shop though.......

But it IS cheaper than car body filler which was the next idea.... and proved pourus too!

And try as I might with GRP resin and poly-filler, I couldn't get anything resembling the self-set artists clay......

If you have a large area like a seat base, a £5 block from hobbykraft or whatever, would probably cover it with a thin 'skim' to get the shape, you could cure and back with P.of.P or ploy-filler, or cement to hold & support the shape, tho'.
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