calling All against the stupid 33bhp restriction law!!

[0l0dom0l0]

https://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/repealing-unnecessary-laws/remove-the-25kw-restriction-for-motorcyclists-under-21

All sign up and agree to remove this stupid law. Please .

[P.addy]

[Inkognito]

I'm quite happy that there's a restriction in place.

It makes sense and forces people to get some experience before going mental on a stupidly fast bike.

[G]

Poorly written.

I could swear there WAS evidence to show young riders were more likely to crash - this was why it was introduced in the first place.

[0l0dom0l0]

So you think its safe for a 21 year old to go out and ride a hayabussa with no experience then?

i understand why the law is there, but it is very poorly implimented. i could get my liscence and then not go near a bike for 2 years, and at the age of 19 buy a full power bike? and you dont think im as dangerous at 19 as 17?

[mad4it028]

i totaly agree the restriction law is very wrong they shouldnt restrict riders from 17 to 21 years of age i think they should restrict all new riders for 2 years no matter what there age
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[Inkognito]

Perhaps yes.
They could make it so if you've been driving a car for X years the restriction is removed because you will have some road sense.

If i was to do my licence now at 32 years old and get told i could only ride a 125 for 2 years i'd tell them to get f'ed and not even bother riding a bike to be honest.

It's different when you're 16-21 (maybe even a bit older? ) because all most guys want to do at that age is act big and go fast to try and impress their friends and stuff.

At my age not so much. Sure i like to go fast now and then but it's not WHY i have a bigger bike.

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

It'll make no difference if it get repealed, since there's a load of new licensing stuff coming through from the EU in the next few years.
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[0l0dom0l0]

but dont you think though that spending the money on proper training would be better? or maybe offering new riders to take part in a course like the advanced riders course enabling them to de restrict the bike?

if i was given the option to take my advanved biker and be allowed to have a full liscence then i would do that, as would alot of other 17 year olds.

do you not think that is fair?

[Kickstart]

Hi

Afraid I tend to agree with the basic idea behind the law, although think it is very badly implemented. However would far rather that it was more of a peer pressure system, telling those with little more than a few hours wobbling round some cones that buying a 150mph+ bike is a stupid idea (those with the dodgy attitude will likely be the ones wanting to do this).

That said if there is a restriction then at least make it at a reasonable level (50~60hp, enough for a 500 twin) and make the time limit reasonable (2 years is fine for someone who barely rides a bike, but hideously excessive for someone who has ridden as a learner for a couple of years and who is doing a couple of thousand miles a month after their test).

All the best

Keith
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[Inkognito]

But we already do "Direct Access" to be able to use big bikes.

The advanced rider courses are still available it's just that most people haven't got the money to spend on it after just dishing out £600 for DAS training + money for a bike and insurance.

If i had money to spare on courses i might do it yeah. But i don't and i don't feel that i "need" it. Sure it might make me a better rider but i don't believe i'm endangering myself or others as i'm riding now

[HP]

I think that the 33bhp law is fine as it is the perfect stepping stone, compared to a 125 a 33bhp bike is fucking quick, and in most cases plently powerful enough for general road riding. The power to weight ratio is also very high ie a small car weighs 1600kg roughly and a 600c bike weighs 200kg which is 8 times more so 33 x 8 =264bhp, there isnt alot of 17 year olds driving around with 250+bhp cars. The only niggle is the price of restrictors which is rediculous and makes alot of young people overlook getting their bikes restricted whereas if they were around £30 imsure 90% would abide by the law.

Harry
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[Blau Zedong]

I think nOObs should undergo some hardship after passing the test, mainly because it makes me laugh. Joking aside though, the 33bhp law is one of the worst thought out pieces of legislation in years. When the average copper doesn't understand it then it's probably a bollocks law. The only way to make it police-able is to have something concrete like a CC limit, rather than a theoretical power figure which may or may not require restrictors to achieve.
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[Alexio]

[Kickstart]

[Paulington]

As has been said, this all makes no difference as the 3rd EU Directive is coming in soon anyway, which makes it even worse!

It will become:

CBT: 16.
A1 (up to 125cc 14.6bhp): 17
A2 (up to 46.6bhp from a bike with no more than 93.2bhp): 19
A (full licence): 21.

DAS will be 24 instead of 21.

You need to take a test to pass A1.
A test to pass A2.
And a test to pass A.

Mandatory 2 year gap between licences.

However the UK thinks you should have to undergo 7 hours training instead of a test after you've passed your A1 test, but we shall see how it goes.

In my opinion 3 tests + 3 theory tests + CBT + 5 year wait to be unrestricted will kill motorcycling for young riders. .
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[rob_scott92]

[radical]

I think the 33 bhp limit is a good thing but could be improved upon , I do see it as being unfair to a certain group namely bikers and a similar law should be put in place to restrict 17 year old learner drivers from jumping straight into high performance hot hatch cars as they i.m.o are a greater danger to other road users than any biker simply because there is so many of the prats on the road showing of their useless driving skills A level playing field and all that.

[woll]

paulington how did you find that out? (if its on t net can you link it please )

Back to the matter in hand, as kickstart said it's harsh on us that do alot of miles on the bikes each year to have to be restricted for 2 years when somebody that only goes out on sunny days and doesn't do half the miles we do, can be unrestricted at the same time as someone who has done a few thousand miles more hence giving them more experience.

I know it could never happen and is would be hard to enforce, but it would be fairer to say you have to ride 5000 miles or maybe more. Then do another days training (more of a check up) to get your full licence.
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[TeamMCS]

That's a worrying set of tests. Would those of us doing their A2s now be stuck at A2 until we pass "A" or will it continue to elapse after two years (for existing riders)?