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Cloned or Original?
Don't care if it's cloned.
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Never eat cloned.
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Redoko
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 04 Aug 2010    Post subject: Cloned Meat. Reply with quote

Big hyper in the media lately...



Honestly, I couldn't give a sh!t if I eat cloned meat or uncloned aslong as the animal has lived a fairly decent life.

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PostPosted: 17:52 - 04 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

its meat if it tastes good it is good!
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 04 Aug 2010    Post subject: Re: Cloned Meat. Reply with quote

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Same as you, couldn't give a flying f**k! It's still meat, its no different to any other meat!

Usual media over reaction to make people worry for nothing! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 04 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure a lot of cows have a mate, father, grandfather, great grandfather that are all the same bull. Cloning a decent cow results in a decent cow. If you would be willing to eat the first one, why not the other? Sounds like the media making something out of nothing again.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 04 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not even about cloned meat, it's the offspring of a cloned animal. Just another scare story to hoodwink the great unwashed into thinking things have changed since the BSE scandal broke.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 04 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It must be a quiet news day Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 04 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I missheard a news broadcast today about a cloned cow ending up in the food chain. I thought they said a clowned cow. Would have explained why my Big Mac tasted funny.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 04 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't even know why the papers are making a big thing of this, I seriously couldn't give a fuck. Food is food it's not like it's modified or anything. It's just meat from a cloned cow. Surely there are worse things for the papers to write about.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 05 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless the meat tasted of strawberry then no.

Usual media attempt to generate a scandal on which they can sell a shit load of papers and advertising space.

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PostPosted: 10:09 - 05 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see some people voted no, would be interesting to hear your opinions?

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PostPosted: 10:55 - 05 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont care if its cloned, a few extra limbs is always useful Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 05 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens 30 years down the line of cloning? Is there some form of degeneration that happens when you have a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone? Will we end up with no cows?
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 05 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoND wrote:
What happens 30 years down the line of cloning? Is there some form of degeneration that happens when you have a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone? Will we end up with no cows?

I'm no cloning expert, but I have often thought about what happens after multiple clones.

Cancer. An out of control mutation of cells in the human body due to corrupted DNA code. Cells replicate themselves all the time, yet for some reason it can go wrong.

If you keep replicating an animal, what's not to say that something will go wrong?
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 05 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:

Usual media attempt to generate a scandal on which they can sell a shit load of papers and advertising space.

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See I read it differently. It IS a scandal but for very different reasons to the papers with a red top line would have you read.

Basically - the FSA have put in place regulations about the control of cloned animals and then have been forced to admit they've absolutely no bloody idea what the current state of play is, ie they're not effectively monitoring, regulating or controlling what is potentially a grand scale issue of consumer choice and disclosure. They've spectacularly failed in their primary objectives as the FSA.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be nice to of have some information about what exactly is the same/different about these cows before they introduced items in the food chain.
Doesn’t really bother me but i think that’s just because I’m not scientist.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical media over-hyping things, they always do it, they always will.
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

All they are is a copy of a cow with good genetic make up.
Essentially like an identical twin.

There's no interfering with the genes like GM.
In the US and elsewhere the technique is widely used in particular with bulls which can be worth millions - so if one dies they have a clone embryo in the freezer and an identical bull will grow from it.

In a way it's not surprising there's an unease about some of this although it can't be on 'safety' grounds.
It's more of a moral issue, so if *we* want the technique banned then do it - don't allow embryo cows to be imported as these were.

There doesn't seem to have been any clear plan as to whether their offspring were going to be labelled as derived from clone or considered the same as any other calf (which they are).

Since there's no way to test if it's from a clone or not, trying to ban them is about as sensible as banning artificial insemination which has been used widely since the 50s
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can we be sure the genetic make-up of these animals is 100% safe?

We can't - therefore I refuse to eat anything like this.

I await the cheap imports of cow embryos from China that fuck you up proper after years of eating corrupted genetic material...

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PostPosted: 13:01 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
How can we be sure the genetic make-up of these animals is 100% safe?

We can't -


How can you be sure anything is safe?

Describe to me your definition of "corrupted" DNA, and explain the mechanism by which eating it could cause problems.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
How can we be sure the genetic make-up of these animals is 100% safe?

We can't - therefore I refuse to eat anything like this.

I await the cheap imports of cow embryos from China that fuck you up proper after years of eating corrupted genetic material...

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The genetic makeup is exactly the same, it doesn't get touched!
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
How can we be sure the genetic make-up of these animals is 100% safe?


Because they are just a copy of a cow which has a good pedigree.

This means she has desirable traits such as - milks well, has good feet and legs, gets back in calf easily - lives a long and useful life without needing the vet to her every other month.

So she is not the product of near random breeding from farms borrowing each other's bull and probably accidentally inbreeding - passing on bad traits such as being prone to lameness due to bad conformation etc.

Why is that dangerous?

I'm not saying I approve of the process, but the arguments against can be shot full of holes and are illogical.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoND wrote:
What happens 30 years down the line of cloning? Is there some form of degeneration that happens when you have a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone? Will we end up with no cows?


Probably a similar end result as ongoing inbreeding of any pure breed animal. You end up with a mess, but you also keep a normal stream of mongrel animals going to provide decent genetic material when you need it.

Looking at this in terms of cats, you can take an extremely inbred example of a pure breed (some kind of siamese for instance) that will spend half of its life at the vets then die at 7. Breed one of these with the local ginger tom and you'll get a big, tough cat with a lot of siamese features that will live to be 20. I had a cat like this, lived to 18, spent the last 3 years of its life with cancer that would have killed either of its parents.

The current system is only mixing one cloned animal with another from the general healthy herd. If you do it this way, genetics have a lovely way of rubbing out the bad hereditary features. Can make the offspring carriers though, so best to keep them as beef cattle and not breed them.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:

Probably a similar end result as ongoing inbreeding of any pure breed animal.

Impossible. Inbreeding causes the accumulation of deleterious recessive genes, increasing the likelihood that you get 2 copies of a bad form of a gene. No such thing would happen in cloning - no new genes are introduced so you can't have in increase in deleterious ones.

If you did see a gradual degradation in animal health it could only be due to epigenetic effects, i.e. nothing to do with the genetic code itself, but to do with the way the genes are packaged; heterochromatin distribution and the like. Eating even the most severely affected animal would still be completely safe, however.

And even in the never-gonna-happen scenario where the genetic code itself was affected it would STILL be safe to eat. It's just DNA molecules; your digestive system destroys them completely.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long can you safely store the original clone dna?

It doesn't look like something I'd like to see rushed into mass production. In the short term you'll reap the benefits of cloned stuff then it gets to the point that it's just not profitable to breed regular animals so no one does it anymore. Suddenly something happens and the clones become useless and we're left with f'all normal animals to fix the problem.

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