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bandit600
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Newish Biker Reply with quote

Relatively new to biking and still trying to get my head round good corners.
I have tried the counter steer method as i am still going into corners too slow and can't get over far enough.

Any tips?
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, stop "thinking" about counter-steering, IMO. It must be one of the most counter-intuitive things imaginable and I'm sure over-thinking it will make your cornering worse, rather than better. To be honest, you can't avoid doing it if you're leaning the bike into a corner. If you weren't counter-steering you'd be picking yourself up off the tarmac at every bend.

I'm sure some knee-downers will be along soon to advise you about body positioning, etc. but my advice is to relax and trust the bike more.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a newbie myself, and I've found the most important thing about cornering is to be in the right gear for the speed you are going. I find if I'm in too high a gear controlling the speed is more difficult, and the bike doesn't feel as planted.

I agree with Nexus though, relax and let the bike do the work.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pretty much agree with nexus here. Although counter steering becomes an integral part of riding a bike around corners it shouldnt be something you have to think about until you build up enough confidence in your machine and ability.

The secret in cornering is relax. Look where you want the bike to go, which is always the straight after the corner. If you cant see that then focus on the furthest point of the inside of the bend that you can see. The rest will take care of itself.

As the confidence builds then find yourself a straight road with no traffic and get up to speed. Gently push one of the hands away from you a little tiny bit and note the way the bike reacts. Feel the dip in the bike as it leans over? That is counter steering. When you get used to that then you can incorporate it into the bends.

Before you know it you will be doing it naturally.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
Well, stop "thinking" about counter-steering, IMO. It must be one of the most counter-intuitive things imaginable and I'm sure over-thinking it will make your cornering worse, rather than better. To be honest, you can't avoid doing it if you're leaning the bike into a corner. If you weren't counter-steering you'd be picking yourself up off the tarmac at every bend.

I'm sure some knee-downers will be along soon to advise you about body positioning, etc. but my advice is to relax and trust the bike more.


Have to second this mate. I'm reletively new to this myself, and just taking my DAS and Mod2 next month. Initially going into corners, especially roundabouts, I'd falter half way round as I began to think about what I was doing, and end up swan-necking my way around...

The sooner you clear your mind about actually "turning", the better. During my Mod1, I just kept saying to myself - "don't think about it, just do it".

One tip for counter-steering I found useful, and one the experienced riders here will reitterate a lot - "look where you want to go". It really helps peering forward into the route you wish to take around the corner - don't look down at the few feet ahead of your bike. Look as far forward as possible when progressing through the turn.

One other thing I found amazingly useful. See if your instructor can take you pillion on the back of his bike for 20 minutes. I had to the other week when riding to the test centre due to lack of machines at the riding school, and it was really useful seeing how the instructor confidently leaned the bike into the corners. You'd be amazed how far over they go without it actually being a sharp angle. If you're struggeling to lean the bike over this could hinder your progress around the corner...
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Newish Biker Reply with quote

bandit600 wrote:
still trying to get my head round good corners


Well in my opinion, you should think about getting your whole self (and bike for that matter around said corners too), a parting of those bits would be quite painful...one would imagine.... Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice, make a route in your head, not busy, in national speed limit with some corners, take some free hours out your day once a week get used to the route on the bike, don't start off chucking yourself into them at 60mph+ you need to start around 40, then build up the next time, your body will then adjust to the sense of cornering, don't flinch or back out of it and brake very heavy as this may get you sliding across the floor.

After you got used to this and are comfortable at doing these corners are some speed it's time to think about body positioning and what you feel comfortable with to aid you in going low.
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bandit600
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your advice guys, i will definatley take it on board. Hopefully i will be cornering with confidence soon.

Cheers
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had the pegs grinding while cornering on the bandit Thumbs Up

Make sure the tyres are warmed up properly and they are correctly inflated. Then go have some fun Thumbs Up

Another option is to get some advanced training.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
I have had the pegs grinding while cornering on the bandit Thumbs Up

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