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PostPosted: 10:34 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Ebay purchase : advise.. Reply with quote

Bought a mitsibushi pajero from ebay on thursday, drove it 60 miles back home and all was well.
Friday when i started it up it sounded like a bag of hammers, so i've stripped it down to find that the crank bolt hasn't been tightened properly (no locktight either) so it's come loose and snapped the woodruff key out of the crank. It's also took a huge chunk out of the crank aswell so it's basically completely fooked Crying or Very sad

The car was advertised as just having new timing belt kit fitted.

The car was sold as seen and payed for in cash (no paypal involved)

What's my options then? i'm assuming there's nothing i can do and have to cover all the costs myself/scrap the car ?




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PostPosted: 10:41 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Ebay purchase : advise.. Reply with quote

Truxx wrote:


The car was sold as seen and payed for in cash (no paypal involed)




Count it as lesson learned.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sold as seen is a load of bull, it was seen as fit for intended purpose which it obviously isn't.
Park it in their front room and ask for money back
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i fail to see how it's ''fooked''.
just get a new woodruff key and dress the keyway, then tighten it properly. the key is just there for alignment. the taper holds the flywheel on.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is that, the ford zetec engines don't have a woodruff key or anything, just held on my tightening it to within a few psi of its life.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
Sold as seen is a load of bull, it was seen as fit for intended purpose which it obviously isn't.
Park it in their front room and ask for money back


Private sale? Caveat Emptor I'm afraid.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private, trade, auction, new, used, sold as seen etc all got to be fit for purpose
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well, such is life, just thought i'd ask...

As for the fit for purpose ; does that even apply to a private sale? bearing in mind the car was running fine when i picked it up Question

Matt; surely the woodruff key is also there to stop the pulley from slipping aswell? It would see quite risky just relying on the bolt alone to hold it in place.

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The keyway is pretty screwed .
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
There is that, the ford zetec engines don't have a woodruff key or anything, just held on my tightening it to within a few psi of its life.


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PostPosted: 12:11 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

He never mentioned in the listing that the handbrake didn't work, and when i got it home i noticed it had no exhaust back box on it Laughing
But other than that it was as described.

I only paid £870 for it and it's still got a lot of parts that i could sell on so i'll get something back.(it's a pajero exceed so has all the toy's)

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PostPosted: 12:33 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

you're right.
that's pretty fucked.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the pulley welded back on.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truxx wrote:

Matt; surely the woodruff key is also there to stop the pulley from slipping aswell? It would see quite risky just relying on the bolt alone to hold it in place.


we got a carp french car...renault...no keyways on either the crank or camshafts Shocked

the pressure of the bolt along with the taper on the shaft/pulley hold them tight. and my they are tight...something like 40Nm (which isn't much) but then an additional 240 degrees of tigtening to fully 'load' the bolt. had to use the longer tool to fully tigthen it...
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 litre wrote:
Get the pulley welded back on.


i'd be a bit wary of doing this. cranks are cast, machined, then hardened. it's likely to crack if welded. and a cracked crank is a very shit one

if it was my car, i'd buy some loctite 648 bearing retainer (not sure how commercially available it is?) and some JBweld.

pack out the crank damage with JBweld chemical metal, cover the taper in the loctite 648 and crank it up as tight as it'll go.

then sell the car.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yandy_yay wrote:

the pressure of the bolt along with the taper on the shaft/pulley hold them tight.


There's no taper on the crank shaft or the pulley.

Been thinking about this. Is there any reason i can't cut a new keyway into the crankshaft exactly opposite the original? (assuming i can find a grinding/cutting disk of the right size and the tool [dremmell maybe] to hold it)

I could then have the pulley machined out in the same manner then cut a new notch in the pulley to mark the new timing mark ? simple enough if it's exactly 180 deg out...

It would be a cheap ish fix and just as good as the original or am i missing something...

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PostPosted: 16:03 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
Private, trade, auction, new, used, sold as seen etc all got to be fit for purpose

No. If you buy privately then there is nothing about the vehicle having to be fit for purpose.

Buyer beware: so before buying a vehicle it would be wise to get a test drive, to have a good look over the vehicle and ask the seller lots of questions. If buying on eBay you have to do all that before bidding or if the vehicle is a long way away and you don't want to do the journey twice (once to inspect and then again to collect after winning the auction) you can ask them lots and lots and lots of detailed questions before bidding then inspect the vehicle when you go to hand over the cash. If the vehicle doesn't match their answers to your questions then you quite entitled to just walk away and the seller wouldn't have any legal recourse.

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When you buy goods from a private individual, you don't have the same rights as when buying from a trader. The legal principle of caveat emptor, or 'buyer beware', operates. You have no rights to expect that goods be of satisfactory quality or fit for their purpose, but there is a requirement that they should be 'as described'. You should check goods thoroughly before you buy them.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_fisty wrote:
Marmalade wrote:
There is that, the ford zetec engines don't have a woodruff key or anything, just held on my tightening it to within a few psi of its life.


Remind me to never let you work on my vehicles.


https://www.ehow.com/how_4927541_adjust-torque-wrench.html
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because its on the internet doesn't make it the gospel truth. none of the torque wrenches I've ever used worked in a scale marked with psi, always Nm, lb-ft, or kg-m (i think)
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cranks aren't cast nor hardened steel they are forged. What does that pulley do? Looks like a pump drive for AC or power steering etc.

If it doesn't depend on the keyway for timing the belt, this is what I would do:

Buy a new pulley, loctite it onto the shaft with the bolt done up tight, then after the loctite has gone off remove the bolt then drill the end of the shaft right on the joint & pin the pulley to the shaft, re-fit bolt.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:


I think that site is incorrect, Torque is a rotational force not a pressure. Foot Pounds, yes but foot pounds per square inch no.

I have never seen it measured in PSI.

Could be wrong tho.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Cranks aren't cast nor hardened steel they are forged.


Both are common. usually forged on higher performance stuff.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 18 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks pete, that's a good one. That aswell as jb welding the woodruff key in should get a pretty good hold.

It's going to be hard work getting into it with a drill but i'm sure i'll find a way.
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