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PostPosted: 22:40 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: river crossing fail!!! gas gas 250s dont float Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:11 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAMN!! Neutral

Does she still run? Or is she ruined?
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should have got a diesel bike Wink
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: river crossing fail!!! gas gas 250s dont float Reply with quote

reggie wrote:
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Just trying to out-do ste's 'bike in river' picture?
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

started after about 15 kicks after about 5 minits of tinkering
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

reggie wrote:
started after about 15 kicks after about 5 minits of tinkering


Would`nt it of been even easier to get it going if you had of taken it out of the water first Confused ? Smile
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll probably have to clean the carps haha Smile Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

wtf? you can sink a bike and it works without anything needing to be replaced? I thought it may need to be stripped down or something
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

2wheelsteve wrote:
You'll probably have to clean the carps haha Smile Thumbs Up


i did when i got home but ther was no need as is was all clean inside


its only water and i carefully routed any vent pipe to try and stop them leting water into the gear box etc
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess thats the water cooled model Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

reggie wrote:
2wheelsteve wrote:
You'll probably have to clean the carps haha Smile Thumbs Up


i did when i got home but ther was no need as is was all clean inside


its only water and i carefully routed any vent pipe to try and stop them leting water into the gear box etc


Clean the CARPS! Get it yet?
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Clean the CARPS! Get it yet?




Thanks for that Thumbs Up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the bike is submerged you have drain the carb as well as the airbox anf filter. Then you've got to get the water out of the engine so either use the decompression lever and kicking it over or remove the spark plug and kicking it over. Starting it again is a bit of a bitch, having spare dry spark plug that can be fitted is very useful.

In my experience, it takes quite a bit more than 5 minutes and 15 kicks to get a submerged bike started again!

Regardless of the routing of the breather pipes, it's probably worth doing an oil change as the cost & hassle of doing a precautionary oil change is a lot less than the cost & hassle of fixing water damaged engine internals.

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Just trying to out-do ste's 'bike in river' picture?

Today I was reminded of quite how deceptively deep Salisbury Plain puddles can be. Not as deep as the one I found on my XR but it was still over the top of my mtb wheels. Cool
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

2wheelsteve wrote:
You'll probably have to clean the carps haha Smile Thumbs Up


Now THAT'S fishing for laughs!

But sure it would go after a little messing a trout..... I mean, its only a motor-pike..... I'm sure eel learn these things the hard way.... Cod bless'im..... It'll be all white-bait...... you'll soon be back in the perch... having a wale of a time........

... I am surprised though, I mean they have a float bowl.... surely that would have stopped it sinking?

Mind, reason it took so long to start was obviouse..... flooded the engine.....
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
2wheelsteve wrote:
You'll probably have to clean the carps haha Smile Thumbs Up


Now THAT'S fishing for laughs!

But sure it would go after a little messing a trout..... I mean, its only a motor-pike..... I'm sure eel learn these things the hard way.... Cod bless'im..... It'll be all white-bait...... you'll soon be back in the perch... having a wale of a time........

... I am surprised though, I mean they have a float bowl.... surely that would have stopped it sinking?

Mind, reason it took so long to start was obviouse..... flooded the engine.....




Brilliant mate, fantastic brain working there, must of hurt haha Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Thumbs Up Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste: I expect a 2 stroke can be a fair bit less hassle. Don't have a crankcase breather I don't think (as nothing to squirt oil and air around) and generally a simpler design.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I stand corrected then.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dumped a 1939 Ariel in 2 foot of water and it took me 2 hours to extract it from the mud a few years ago. I rode it 30 miles back but I did rebuild the engine when I got home.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

only thing i did was put abit more 2 stroke in the tank because all that water must wash some of it out
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

reggie wrote:
only thing i did was put abit more 2 stroke in the tank because all that water must wash some of it out


If it went on its side, it may be worth doing a full fluids change on the motor. Certainly DONT use reserve until you have drained the tank through. Water is heavier than petrol, it sinks to the bottom; its an old chestnut, bike gets wet, either through a dunking, heavy rain, or over enthusiastic washing..... bike fires up after, you dont think anything of it, then some while later, you eventually switch to res, and after a short while, if not straight away, bike starts coughing and stuttering like a bastard, and you think '"That's strange, got further on reserve than THIS last time" get to a filling station quick, top up the tank, switch to main, and its not until LONG after the initial wetting you discover that half the tanks full of water, gear-box oil turned to mayo, and in really bad cases the fork sliders!

Been a bit paranoid about damp bikes since I killed a classic Ducati Street-Scrambler, every-one said wouldn't work on the dirt....
https://www.motoannisettanta.com/images/Ducati-Scrambler-350--1973-.jpgso after a very extensive and expensive restoration, I took it mud-plugging...... curiousely it wasn't BAD on the rough stuff.... rather short of ground clearance & suspension travel, motor was a bit harsh, and the geometry rather frisky (lots of rear wheel weight bias), but ridden worse...... so took it to the petrol station on the way back to wash of the evidence...... sorry, preserve the finish!
Drowned the bludy thing... had to push it mile and a half UP FUCKING HILL! (isn't it always the way!) back home....... stuck a multi-meter on the battery... got hardly any volts..... decided I must have shorted it....... so left the seat up, hooked up the battery charger, went & made a cup of tea...... twenty five minutes later...... smoke pouring out the shed...... Uncle (who owned & restored it, and when he said I could ride it I DONT think had images of tackling green-lanes on it.... more cruising up & down the high street pretending to be the Fonze!) waving arms around screaming, gets the door open, grabs a fire extinguisher, finds no flames but battery acid bubbling out all over his Ducati paintwork and fumes coming of the wiring.....
He just looked at me, in that pitiful manner..... "You do KNOW old bikes had SIX volt electrics dont you?" he said..... walking away, counting up the hours of work and cost of parts RUINED!

Er..... anecdotes asside, dont be too cavalier over a drowned bike. Had plenty of experience of them, and Land-Rovers coming a cropper after wading. Find it rather amusing, driving V8 range-rovers people claim dont like water, wading them into puddles and rivers, without them missing a beat, where supposedly imperviouse diesels come to grief!

Its a myth that diesels 'do water', and you cant drown one. You can, and I have! Might not have an ignition system to short out, but they still have electrics. Killed the alternator on my old SIII Landy wading with a little too much vigour! But the one that gets far more people, is water getting in the fuel system, normally through the fuet cap! Seen some very well wading prepared landies, ALL the mods, snorkle, high level breather kits, wading plugs ALL teh stuff out the magazines..... let down by a 99p seal on the fual cap!

Bikes aren't much different, & though its a tad more difficult to 'hydraulic' a two-smoke, they can still suck water. On the 'old' iron I trialed with points ignition, sealing the mag cover was the critical job. Not so seriouse on modern contactorless ignition bikes, but still. Water CAN and WILL get places its unhelpful in the loom, and even if it doesn't short stuff out straight away, long term, often promotes corrosion on contacts and stuff that will chuck up random faults later.

So its ALWAYS worth doing some precautionary after a good dunking. As said, fluids can get contaminated, & are worth a look. Probably benefit from an oil change anyway. As for the rest of it, suspension bushes, head-races, wiring. Bit of time going over it, lubing stuff up, spraying stuff with WD40, even if there ISN'T any water damage or ingress, good thing to do anyway.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
puns galore..


And finally; He just needs to get it up on a haddock stand... Embarassed
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