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Frost
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: First Quote Insurance Reply with quote

Timeline of events:

July 08 - Insured a bike with them for £78
June 09 - Sold bike
July 09 - Policy automatically renewed without notifying me, new policy price : £76, cancellation fee: £80, so i leave it to run.
June 10 - Phoned up to cancel policy, told it was too early and that i must do it on the first day of the policy renewing.
July 10 - Phoned up to cancel policy to be told that as it had already started (at £70) it would cost £85 to close. Disgusted at the policy hardly dropping in price and their cancellation fees going through the roof i told them to get fucked. They had already taken a £35 down payment
Today - Phone call from them saying i owe them £90 due to failure to pay the policy and that i have failed to reply to the numerous letters that they have sent out. I've not received a letter from them since the original policy was sent out. I've not failed to pay a thing. Lots of shouting at them has reveled that one of their customer service people have cancelled the policy rather than cancellation due to non payment, yet they still want the £90.

In short, they are an absolute DISGRACE an utter JOKE of a company who appear to be legally allowed to steal money directly from your bank account under the pretense of "Well, we sent you a letter.".
As if paying for a second years insurance after selling the bike weren't bad enough, they seem to have fucked that up and be demanding yet more money from me. I fully expect that this time next year more letters won't arrive and they will have another excuse to take more money from my account, or phone me up complaining that they have been unable to.

They always seem to offer the cheapest quote, but seriously, its not worth it. My original £78 quote was probably only a few quid cheaper than the rest, but now it looks like its going to cost me: £78 + £76 + £35 + £90 = £279

Avoid them like the plague, also tell your friends.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was with first quote when I was about 19 and when I went to have the insurance not be renewed (realised 1 week before so rang them) they insisted that the money was coming out of my account unless a signed letter was posted to them.

They wouldnt accept a printed letter faxed or scanned back in and emailed.

Would never go with first quote ever again Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either their phone system is broken or they don't know how to use it, as when they pass you between departments you can hear them talking and insulting you, but they can't hear you telling them you can hear them.

I've yet to speak to an employee who didn't sound like a 16 year old chav girl on work expirence who hates you and really doesn't give a damn aboit showing it.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What was the date the policy renewed on ?
Have you moved since you took the policy out ?
Have you recived any doc's for the policy ?
How have you paid for the policy.

I would send a letter by recordered/special delivery (needs to be signed for) to their complaints dept, see quote below for info Thumbs Up
Stating everything you have here and the fact that, they say you cannot cancel till the policy is in force....
That is bullshit.
You have to cancel a policy before it is due to start and they know that....
Any letter you get on policy renewal states you must cancel before start date or it will auto renew.
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Complaints

We hope you are happy with the service provided by 1stQuote however we realise that on occasions things can go wrong. If you are unhappy with any aspect of our service, in the first instance please contact our Customer Services Department on 0208 590 8412. In the unlikely event you remain dissatisfied, you may then contact the Quality Assurance Manager at Barrett House, Savoy Close, Andover, Hants SP10 2HZ. Your complaint will be acknowledged no later than 5 working days and a formal response will be issued within 20 days of its receipt. If our investigation extends beyond that time, you will be provided with a written update that will explain your options. We will provide you with details of the Financial Ombudsman Service to whom you may be entitled to refer your complaint in the event we are unable to resolve it.


If they break any of the above timescales you have them by the short and curlies and can happy take them to the FSA....
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

They say they will look into it, but then they also said their manager was in a meeting and would phone me back in 10 minutes. that was quite a few hours ago now.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Write a short, concise, polite letter telling them to basically refund you for this past year (and/or last years if your feeling lucky), or they can face you in small claims court.

If you can put together a convincing case then they will settle as it would cost far more for them to face you...

Jst a thought...

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PostPosted: 18:20 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, here's what to do.

Call and ask for their Compliance Manager, and failing that, the Director, as you wish to make a verbal complaint. State that the call is being recorded (regardless of whether it is or not).

Tell the person the details of your complaint. They have until the end of the next business day to resolve the complaint to your satisfaction. If they haven't, they have to write to you by the end of day 5 to confirm they are investigating your complaint. You they have resolved it by day 20, you should get an explanation as to why. Then, if they still haven't resolved it by day 40, go to the Financial Ombudsman Service.

I worked at the FOS for 9 months on a project, and based on what you have told me there, I would say that there is a very high probability that you will get at least this year's premium back, plus interest on that amount at a rate of 8% simple. You may also get a an amount of between £50 and £250 for the distress and inconvenience. Finally, they will get hit with a £500 bill for FOS looking at the case.

PM me if you need any help - I've worked on complaint projects for over 2 years, with a fair amount of that working for a large motor insurer, so I'm more than happy to give you some pointers.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

weegieblue wrote:
Tell the person the details of your complaint. They have until the end of the next business day to resolve the complaint to your satisfaction.


So remember so not ring on a Friday as it gives them more time to remedy the issue.
I would guess that insurance complaints have to be logged in the same way as banking does. So the FSA can monitor the number of complaints.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For future info: If you have an email address for the complaints department then use it.

You do not have to send a posted letter, providing you can fulfill your needs of notifying them.

The FSA ICOB States:
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Durable Medium is...

(a) paper; or
(b) any instrument which enables the recipient to store information addressed personally to him64 in a way accessible for future reference for a period of time adequate for the purposes of the information and which allows the unchanged reproduction of the information stored. In particular, durable medium covers floppy disks, CD-ROMs, DVDs and hard drives of personal computers on which electronic mail is stored[/b], but it excludes Internet sites, unless such sites meet the criteria specified in the first sentence of this paragraph 47 .6, 57, 7

For the purposes of this definition, the provision of information by means of electronic communications shall be treated as appropriate to the context in which the business between the firm and the client is, or is to be, carried on if there is evidence that the client has regular access to the internet. The provision by the client of an e-mail address for the purposes of the carrying on of that business is sufficient.


https://fsahandbook.info/FSA/glossary-html/handbook/Glossary/D?definition=G1286
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

weegieblue wrote:
OK, here's what to do.

Call and ask for their Compliance Manager, and failing that, the Director, as you wish to make a verbal complaint. State that the call is being recorded (regardless of whether it is or not).

Tell the person the details of your complaint. They have until the end of the next business day to resolve the complaint to your satisfaction. If they haven't, they have to write to you by the end of day 5 to confirm they are investigating your complaint. You they have resolved it by day 20, you should get an explanation as to why. Then, if they still haven't resolved it by day 40, go to the Financial Ombudsman Service.

I worked at the FOS for 9 months on a project, and based on what you have told me there, I would say that there is a very high probability that you will get at least this year's premium back, plus interest on that amount at a rate of 8% simple. You may also get a an amount of between £50 and £250 for the distress and inconvenience. Finally, they will get hit with a £500 bill for FOS looking at the case.

PM me if you need any help - I've worked on complaint projects for over 2 years, with a fair amount of that working for a large motor insurer, so I'm more than happy to give you some pointers.


Definately do this. If anything it WILL at least annoy them and create them alot of paperwork.

I have got to the point now that I approach any insurance (or anything similar) with a thought that if it goes wrong I will have full records etc to nail the company to the wall. A few rules:

- Always note the date, time and the name of the person* you are speaking to, even if you go through half a dozen people to get to the right department (it will add weight to any complaint later).
- Keep all correspondance along with a diary of contact (calls etc).
- Try to email scanned copies of letters as well as posting.
- Confirm everything in writing, even if its just a scribbled note (but take a copy - 5p in a newsagents).
- Stay completely calm AT ALL TIMES.
- Do not swear - ever. If they swear say their language is "causing you distress" ("distress" is the key word here, if they cause private individuals "distress" they could lose their credit licence).
- Always be friendly, polite and DO NOT LOSE YOUR TEMPER.
- Most of the time you will get further by asking nicely (first).
- Know your rights.
- Read the small print.
- Do not be scared to use the County Court (it's the only thing that prompted NTL to refund my money + costs + interest, however I must admit I was getting quite excited about enforceing my county court judgement against them, hmmm baliffs into their registered office Cool that'll learn them.

* they will always give you their first name only, ask for a surname as well, or if they fail to give you that, their boss' full name along with their job title and their boss' job title, and make sure they know that you've noted they have refused any information you have asked for (ie their name).

Alll of the above gives out the message - treat me right or else. It is a pain to do but lovely when needed. Also it's very easy to get all of a company's director's names and usually home (or at least the company's registered address) fomr Companies House (PM me if you need any guidance on this). A nicely worded letter sent recorded delivery to the MD's home address always gets a reaction.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 12 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told i would be rung back ASAP by the manager, he never did attempt to do so. 2 days went by and i phoned up myself. I was told that the policy had been cancelled by them, not me, and that i owed them £94.something, up from the £90 2 days previous.

The said they had sent me out a bunch of letters advising me that they were cancelling the policy (no reason given) and that i would have to pay a fee. My insistence that i had received no letters since the original policy documents 2 years ago were brushed aside with "uh huh, yeh, well we sent the letters out so..." Which is basically just calling me a liar.

The amount i owed them was going up an a daily basis and my credit rating was going down. I thought it best to get the policy ended so i never had to deal with the fucking pricks ever again, even if it did cost more than leaving the policy to run.

I could have tried to blag them that i was recording things, had evidence etc, but i actually had nothing, and i'm sure their legal department does this sort of thing all the time, so i wasn't keen on court. So yet again the evil empire wins again through intimidation and threats.

So they cancelled the policy for me without telling me, leaving me uninsured, i've lost 2 years no claims from them not sending out any documentation, and paid £94 for the privilege. But on the bright side, i'll never have to deal with the fucking cunts again.

This thread will get bumped by me from time to time in the hope that no one else has to deal with them either.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 12 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
The said they had sent me out a bunch of letters advising me that they were cancelling the policy (no reason given) and that i would have to pay a fee. My insistence that i had received no letters since the original policy documents 2 years ago were brushed aside with "uh huh, yeh, well we sent the letters out so..." Which is basically just calling me a liar.


You see you can't contest the letter sent thing, as it was used as a basis of the fight against the DVLA.
So while its a winner against them, its a loser when stuff is sent to you.

Personally, I would have said not happy and lets got to FOS.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 12 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Understand why you paid them off to settle things but would still contact the FOS and try get your money back and maybe humble apology, can't hurt to write and see how things stand!
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 12 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what i've seen online i'm not the only one having problems:

https://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews88132.html

Looks like getting any kind of customer service out of them is basically impossible. They are so bad that they put you on hold for 15 minutes when they ring YOU up Laughing
I would say i'm glad to be rid of the fuckers, but i know deep down inside that this isn't the last i've heard of things, that one day when i'm 60 i'm going to get the shit kicked out of my by debt collectors as the have made another admin error 40 years ago and i now owe them more money than there is on earth.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 25 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

More importantly if its damaged your credit rating and you sort it out in your favour you can get it wiped from your credit files, that's what id be more worried about tbh
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 25 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought that technically you could simply remove the direct debits from your account preventing any further payments to them on your ebanking page. Instructing your bank not to allow payments might also help.
If they've taken your money illegitimately you should go through the small claims court, they're unlikely to contest it and you will more than likely have the unwanted premium refunded. I wouldn't let it lie myself.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 25 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:
I would have thought that technically you could simply remove the direct debits from your account preventing any further payments to them on your ebanking page. Instructing your bank not to allow payments might also help.
If they've taken your money illegitimately you should go through the small claims court, they're unlikely to contest it and you will more than likely have the unwanted premium refunded. I wouldn't let it lie myself.


You would think that but as the OP has said they CAN take your money. I even called my bank and asked for no money from them to be taken and they said they could not stop it, only try and get it back after.

NEVER GO WITH FIRST QUOTE!!!
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 25 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You would think that but as the OP has said they CAN take your money. I even called my bank and asked for no money from them to be taken and they said they could not stop it, only try and get it back after.

NEVER GO WITH FIRST QUOTE!!!
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I've cancelled direct debits to insurance companies in the past just using ebanking and its worked, I don't see how a firm has an automatic right to remove money from your account if you haven't agreed to it. They've then sent a letter saying the policy was void as they couldn't collect the payment, which I only did to make sure despite cancelling no further money would go through.
Should be possible to call your bank and cancel all future payments to a specific firm.
My advice to the OP would be to go through the small claims court, for £80 (refundable) you'll have a very good chance of getting your money back.
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