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scott dt125 x
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 15 Jan 2011    Post subject: MOT will it pass?? Reply with quote

Hi there all Bcf members just a 2 qeustions... i have a tail tidy on my dt125 wich i fitted but now theres no numberplate light because i snipped the wire does this mean it will fail and also i have a dep pipe would that also make it fail on emissions and decibels ??
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 15 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a number plate light Thumbs Up
Not sure on exhaust, tbh, ive not seen a catalytic converter on a bike, so changing the can should be fine.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 15 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will fail on the numberplate light. I'd suggest you buy some connectors and un-snip the wire. Why did you snip it in the first place?

The pipe is down to the oppinion of the tester, it's supposed to be "No louder than the standard exhaust on a similar type of motorcycle" in his oppinion. If it has "Not for road use" stamped on it, it'll fail if he sees it.

EDIT: Emissions are not tested.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 15 Jan 2011    Post subject: thanks guys Reply with quote

hey stinkwheel the reason i snipped it was because there was no connecter to just remove it so impatiently i just snipped it but wiring up a new one shouldnt be to hard.. and thanks again guys!! Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 15 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. You need the light, but the exhaust is very much subjective. The exhaust should have "BSAU 193 or BSAU 193a or an EEC approval number prefixed by a small 'e' marking or an ECE approval number prefixed by a capital E," but bat your eyelashes and you may be OK.

There's no emissions test, and no plans that I know of to introduce one.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 15 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They passed my bike when i bodged an LED on the rear.
Basically got 2 bits of wire, one on + battery with a fuse+switch and - to - on battery. Connect up to LED...was fine. In fact...still is fine.. which is odd, i'd have expected it to die by now.

its a T10 LED. Probably easier to just wire yours back up.
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PostPosted: 01:42 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If bikes don't have emissions tests, then why do manufactuers build their bikes to meet the strict Euro regulations?

Most new sports bikes have a huge cat' built into the exhaust collector.
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PostPosted: 02:23 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

For type approval. A few of the new bikes get tested.

It's an anomaly that bikes don't have emissions tests as part of the MOT. Brussels is suggesting mandating "tamper-proof" parts on new bikes (from about 2017 or so) to try and stop us fixing bikes from their mandated strangled state, but there's currently no suggestion that I know of - at European or UK level - of actually emissions testing used bikes. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 04:18 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Brussels is suggesting mandating "tamper-proof" parts on new bikes (from about 2017 or so) to try and stop us fixing bikes from their mandated strangled state, but there's currently no suggestion that I know of - at European or UK level - of actually emissions testing used bikes. Thumbs Up


Nice, so when said parts screw up or are damaged, the bike's an expensive paperweight. Sounds roughly on par for EU idiocy and the usual slow creeping that makes ordinary people's lives that bit less pleasant each year Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 05:25 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do all bikes need number plate lights or just bikes after a certain year. My NSR hasn't got one. Confused
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Brussels is suggesting mandating "tamper-proof" parts on new bikes (from about 2017 or so) to try and stop us fixing bikes from their mandated strangled state.


In any case. To do so would be pretty much impossable. If it was put on, it can be taken off. If they weld it it can be cut. If they use security fittings, the tools to undo them will be on ebay within a week. If they program it into the ECU, it will be hacked or replaced.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carl_steveo wrote:
Do all bikes need number plate lights or just bikes after a certain year. My NSR hasn't got one. Confused


They have to have a white light shining onto the numberplate. I suspect the cutoff is 1971 (although I haven't checked but this is when yellow numberplates came in, it could be 1986 when flashers became mandatory).

Many bikes don't have a seperate light. They have a clear section in the bottom of the tail light lens. Some even just have a hole to let some of the white light out in a downwards direction.

Quite common for people who've fitted tail tidys to fit a single white LED like ##Paddy## has done. It doesn't specify how bright or effective the light has to be, only that it's white and must shine on the numberplate.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A while ago for the CRM they actually stuck some tape over the clear section of light because they said it pointed back rather than down (dirt bike with angled mudguard) too much. Were happy with that - though next MOT of course said the opposite Rolling Eyes.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

To clarify, "tamper proof" means "shear-bolts, or only removable with expensive dealer tools". See 97/24/EEC and its followups.

Exhaust, fuelling and ECU are the proposed components to be covered. Also, mandatory ABS on bikes > 125, or linked brakes on 125 and under. That's in addition to the Euro 5 emissions standards that will come in round about 2015. That may include a high mileage retest during the type approval process, which will remove another bunch of bikes from the market and push prices up yet again as manufacturers have to eat the R&D costs and increase build quality.

Good news for Chinabike hataz though - I don't see many of them passing that. Although they are getting pretty good at scamming the emissions tests, just as everybody else does.

Despite what 97/24/EEC says, I believe that eventual goal is to prevent home servicing of bikes. The ostensible argument for anti-tamper is the usual safety and environmental reasons - hug the baby dolphins - but I'd expect it's really down to the industry successfully lobbying to squeeze more cash out of us.
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