Your thoughts on a fairly common illegal manouvre?

[Mr Hammers]

Hypothetical situation: Following slowish traffic around 30-50mph on a dual carrigeway and the car in the overtaking lane is taking forever to overtake the other, and you're fed up of waiting for him.

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Is A, B or C safest?

Before it's pointed out that all three are illegal, and the safest thing to do is be patient and follow, I just want to make clear that is *not* the point of the question.

The point is, if you are going to do it, which is the most relatively safe option?
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[Shaft]

Personally, I don't like the look of B and I very rarely pass on the left, so it would be A for me.

In situation B, it would only take one of them to deviate and you're being squeezed, in C the guy who's just overtaken could do the proper thing and pull back in, he won't be expecting you to be there.

Of course, in any of those situations you would probably be giving it the biggun, so it's likely you'll be clear and gone before anyone else noticed what was going on.
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[instigator]

Naturally it's going to be A.

When I had a bike with decent power, I would filter up to 90mph usually, doing A, B or C. Unfortunately now I don't have the power to get me out of trouble.

[N cee thirty]

A,but i'd just stay at the back on a shit heap cg,needs some power to be out and back in again
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[bootsbiker]

It would depend on many things.. eg wind and speed(acceleration ) of my bike..

Prob go for C

but I would overtake the blue car on the right hand side if I had that option.....



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[c_dug]

For me it goes B, A, C.
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[bikertomm]

For me C is the winner, car on the right will be out the way so you will have to be quick and hope that they aren't going to come straight back into the left lane.
Being patient then waiting for him to move over would be the better & safer option though
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[Digitalize]

Combination of B and C, Do the C manouvure when the cars are positioned in B
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[c_dug]

C is a terrible choice because of the likely hood of them moving back to the left.

B, neither car is likely to swerve so close to each other to squish a bike, besides you would be through the gap in seconds.

A, Short of deciding to to overtake and pulling back in behind, I would say is the safest.

Still I usually do B over A for some reason.
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[Noxious89123]

Would be either A or just wait until the blue car has made his move and overtake him properly.

B, neither car will see you / be looking for you there.
C, you're likely to get plowed off the road by the blue car.
Atleast with A, the green car is expecting to be overtaken, and the blue car will see you infront as you move infront of them. So long as your giving it some welly, they (the blue car) shouldn't get anywhere near the back of your bike.

Those that said B or C, what is your thinking for that being the safest move?

EDIT:
Could also say this is the result of rather poor planning; You should be in the right hand lane and passing the green car before the blue car catches up to you.
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[Ichy]

All have their own risk.

A and C give an option, although limited, to swerve.

In A The blue car could easily not see you and decide to accelerate.

B doesn't really allow the drivers to react, assuming you go fast enough.

C assumes that the green car is going slower and therefore presents less of a risk although the blue car could see you approaching and move into lane 1.
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[Vman]

If it's taking ole blue forever to overtake, then you would be hanging around 'forever' for blue to get to B and C, so I would have got away from the situation in A.
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[Shaft]

Of course, for the real suicidal maniacs, there's also options D and E, which are passing the green car on the left and the blue car on the right...............
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[Ichy]

To be honest I've done all of them. In real life its easier to read the situation and make a judgement. Drop a gear and open it up, aim to be still on the bike when you get to the clear road ahead.
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[Frost]

I've only done A on a bike with decent power. I've done B but only in near stationary traffic, never done C.

[Mr Hammers]

[MinhDinh]

I do all of then depending on the situation. I would say A is the most dangerous since the car on the right is usually going faster and will turn in.

B is the one I like the most after a few secs to look at the gap.

C is easier to do, and I like it the most.

All on private roads though.
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[Vman]

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[Alex A]

Those are illegal? Really, they're just an overtaking manouver of the car on the left. The one on the right is almost irrelevant. Just the same as with filtering (in fact, it is filtering certainly B). Only think you could be charged for is dangerous driving/driving without due care and attention. So, do it in a clear, smooth, controlled, well executed manner, and you should be fine, legally speaking.

I'd choose B every time. That is to say, I would aim to be between the vehicles when they're either closely approaching or already in the B position (when they're overlapped). Why? Because it doesn't matter whether the drivers see you. I'd be through in 1-2 seconds max, and whilst the cars are next to one another, you know neither is going to change lane as they'd collide with one another.

A is next safest. It's unlikely, but there is still potential for either car to change lane. And if they don't see you, and do it at the wrong time, you could be fooked.

C I would avoid. Either car is in a position where they would potentially want to change lanes, especially the overtaking car. And if they don't see you, you could likely be fooked.

Still, the quicker you do it, the safer it is. The sooner you're through, the smaller the narrower of opportunity for you to be mullered.
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[Hetzer]

A or B, no way C.
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[Dave McCool]

B is the clear winner for me, as neither car will be likely to attempt to change lanes at this point, so hard on the power and squeeze through before either of them even realise what happened.

A is also a possibility, although thinking about it I probably wouldn't go for that until the overtaking car was beyond the point of no return, so it's basically an early B.

C looks like a poor move overall; there's a good chance that the overtaking car will have noticed you there and will be considerate enough to pull over to the inside lane to allow you through as soon as they complete the overtake, especially as they may feel, having waited that long, that you're too cautious to be splitting lanes at that speed.

As an aside I would say that, for me at least, your proposed angle of approach is wrong, by positioning yourself in the middle of the road on the white line you'll get a better view of the gap and how constant it is, you'll be in neither car's blind spot so with even a quick glance in their wing mirror they'll hopefully spot your headlight, and with being positioned there they stand a much better chance of being able to second guess your actions and possibly even leave you a little extra room.

Coming from the middle and driving straight through would also give you the advantage of being able to react more effectively if one of the cars does something stupid; instead of being committed to a line that crosses both of their paths and could potentially cause you problems if one of them does choose to brake or accelerate quickly (this does happen) you can power straight through the middle, only having to concern yourself with ensuring the gap remains consistently wide enough for you and your bike. If you aim to go straight until your back wheel is past the front bumper of the car in the lane you want to be in (ideally this would be wichever one you got past first) then pull into that lane, not mad hard like an emergeny avoidance, but fairly quickly to get you out of harms way.

Please note, all of the above is advice based on experience both of riding around busy areas, and watching bikes filter around London whilst I'm stuck in the van, none of this has been verified as good advice by any sort of authority on the subject, but it has worked for me so far.

In all honesty I'd have to say that if the gap isn't wide enough to do this, then don't pull any of these manoeveurs.
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