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pits
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Killed it Reply with quote

finally got my RS back together, my spindle nut turned up after a friggin week and a half of waiting to be sent from Tewkesbury up North to who I bought it off to be sent back to me in Wales, I am like an hour from Tewkesbury.

Got it all back together, took it out for a shake down run, bed new brakes in, check chain adjustment, get it all ready for MOT tomorrow, then 1/4 mile from my house on the ride back, throttle started to feel "gravely" let off, reapplied throttle, still "gravely" queue lots of bad noise, rear starts to lock, clutch in, and cost 1/4 mile down hill back to my house.

To the guy on the 675, cheers for stopping as I pushed my bike back to my house.

Whipped tank and head off, found the problem, lack off oil going to carb, blocked oil line somewhere, what a bitch though, time to rebuild and put all new oil lines in.



And to think my instructor for my mod 1 was having a go at me for covering the brakes an clutch on the ER5, really should have pointed out, I ride a two stroke, you can tell a two stroke rider because their hand is always hovering over the clutch, but it is bloody annoying as it had not long been rebuilt, going to have to run it in again
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyaon, not sure you get exactly why and when it is appropriate to use said picture.

Pits - what a kick in the cock! Sad hope it all gets sorted in time for the next bout of good weather
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 09 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

More to the point it is £300 for the bits to get it going, but I need to pay for Mod 2 which is hella annoying, got some awesome piston detonation though, just annoying as it has monged the head and barrel Sad
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 09 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pits wrote:
More to the point it is £300 for the bits to get it going, but I need to pay for Mod 2 which is hella annoying, got some awesome piston detonation though, just annoying as it has monged the head and barrel Sad


replate is about £100, piston about 50, so not £300.

£300 would be the cost of a full rebuild including the crank.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!! Mr. Green
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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pits
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 09 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Head is trashed as piston appears to have hit it, £100
Barrel is gashed up from bits of metal and has taken a reasonable amount of the wall, only fit for the skip, piston is also dead £190
New exhaust spring clip £7.

Going to see if I can get the barrel redone but to be honest the one gouge in it is really deep maybe 1mm deep so I have a feeling it may be junk.

To be honest looking at the engine I think it may be toast as I have movement left to right on the conrod.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 09 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a top end kit for £120 on ebay, upgraded rings etc.

Also.. I dont hover over the clutch and brakes? and Ive ridden 2 strokes..
It is a bad habit, pass your test without doing it, when you pass do what you wish... Just im sure you get marked down for covering brakes and clutch on the bars.
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pits
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 09 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing on Ebay at the moment that I could find that cheap, not looking healthy though
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/IMG_20110409_180502.jpg
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/IMG_20110409_200248.jpg

These marks are fairly deep, can't get the really deep one to show up.
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/IMG_20110409_200347.jpg



I have done worse though,
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 09 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Deep scores are repaired by welding them up and remachineing before replating them.

Bit concerned about why it would get detonation though. Main cause would be low octane petrol or over advanced ignition timing. Lean mixture of serious over heating might trigger it if things are borderline but not sure they would be that bad with just a lean mix or over heating (ie, probably cause other problems first).

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 06:43 - 10 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derestricted it lately? New exhaust system?
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!! Mr. Green
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 10 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My TGB scooter is running around with a barrel much much much worse than that. It has seized countless times before, just break out the emery and fit new piston + rings! Fair enough an RS 125 is alittle more powerful and temperamental. And Im not sure what I would do if it were my AR125, but would be worth it to get it through the MOT. The head looks fine to me? Unless im being abit dim...but if that were the damage I caused due to a lack of oil, I'd be a happy chappy, considering the damage I have seen from a circlip jumping out at 9000rpm Thumbs Up infact I even fixed that one at the side of the road, and got 5 miles home no problem.

EDIT: I in know way meant to advise with this, merely share my story, I apologise ! Embarassed
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 10 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avora wrote:
It has seized countless times before, just break out the emery and fit new piston + rings!


This is why you're a fucking idiot and should be ignored in this thread.

Plus I would imagine an AR has a liner whereas an RS is nikasil.
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 10 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Deep scores are repaired by welding them up and remachineing before replating them.

Bit concerned about why it would get detonation though. Main cause would be low octane petrol or over advanced ignition timing. Lean mixture of serious over heating might trigger it if things are borderline but not sure they would be that bad with just a lean mix or over heating (ie, probably cause other problems first).

All the best

Keith

The bike only runs on Super unleaded, and has never gone above 78 degrees since rebuilding, it has been running sweet as a nut, starts on first press of button, never ridden till 50degrees never ridden hard till 70 degrees. It has been running sweet.


On closer inspection, crank/big end seems fine, and I have found out the bike was rejetted to run rich as there was a previous fault with the bike, so no real way it has run lean as it was set up to run rich.


The bike hasn't been touched since it was rebuilt 3,000 miles or so ago, as it hasn't needed anything, never lost any performance, never cuts out it runs like a 4 stroke, it only stays on choke for under a minute before it no longer needs it, doesn't die when idling.





And no I wont be using any emery cloth, a chunk of metal has taken one of the ports out and the piston has a fairly big chunk missing from it.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 10 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pits wrote:

And no I wont be using any emery cloth, a chunk of metal has taken one of the ports out and the piston has a fairly big chunk missing from it.


I have an original RS125 barrel somewhere, needs replating IIRC but it's yours for £20 delivered if you want it.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 10 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Check the flywheel is still keyed in position and hasn't slipped.

The barrel is quite probably still repairable.

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:16 - 11 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one port has a big chunk taken out of it sadly for the price of a new barrel I think it would be more hassle than it is worth to fix it Crying or Very sad


suspicions firmly confirm oil starvation, took the oil pump cover off, undid the little screw in the middle, it dripped oil, opened throttle it piddled oil, put screw back on, took outlet pipe off, blew through it, not a drop of oil in there, nothing coming out the outlet side of the pump either.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 11 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The damage to the head doesn't look like anything to do with oil starvation. Which suggests the head was probably already damaged (which would also explain why it looks dirty, rather than fresh damage).

As to the barrel, a cheapo one will cost about the same as a repair and replate. An original from Aprilia will cost a hell of a lot more. The places that do the replates will probably be able to do a welded repair. Try PJ Engineering or Langcourt Engineering.

All the best

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