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 Posted: 18:05 - 11 Apr 2011  Post subject: Re: Honda cb 125td-c where is the vin plate please? |
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| a_wh wrote: | Hi, im hoping someone will help me find where the vin plate should be located on my honda cb 125 td-c. Its a 1983 reg, ive not been able to find a vin plate on the headstock and there are no signs of it being removed from there, so just wondering if anyone knows if its located elsewhere on the bike?
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Should be about half way down the front down tube, between head stock and engine mounting plate, on RHSide of bike.
They are aluminium, held on with steel rivets... electrolytic corrosion sees them errode away at the edges and around the rivets until they fall off.
Lack of VIN plate is no big deal.
Frame number is the 'definative' VIN, as legally mandated, and should be stamped on the head stock, again, Rhight hand side.
No coppa or MOT man can grumble provided the frame number is there, legible and untampered with.
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| Posted: 18:35 - 11 Apr 2011 Post subject: Re: Honda cb 125td-c where is the vin plate please? |
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | a_wh wrote: | Hi, im hoping someone will help me find where the vin plate should be located on my honda cb 125 td-c. Its a 1983 reg, ive not been able to find a vin plate on the headstock and there are no signs of it being removed from there, so just wondering if anyone knows if its located elsewhere on the bike?
thanks |
Should be about half way down the front down tube, between head stock and engine mounting plate, on RHSide of bike.
They are aluminium, held on with steel rivets... electrolytic corrosion sees them errode away at the edges and around the rivets until they fall off.
Lack of VIN plate is no big deal.
Frame number is the 'definative' VIN, as legally mandated, and should be stamped on the head stock, again, Rhight hand side.
No coppa or MOT man can grumble provided the frame number is there, legible and untampered with. |
Thanks for the quick reply, i just had another look and could just about see one number printed into the frame RH side of the headstock, a quick bit of sanding and its much more legible now but its not a 17 character code like i was expecting. Mine is an 11 character code in the following format:
Key:
C = character
N = number
U = not legible
CCNN-NNNNNUN
Should i be worried?? |
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Well ive just been doing some research into this and it looks like its a pre 1980 vin before the standardisation came in. Just need to send off for the V5 now! javascript:emoticon(' ') |
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| Posted: 19:23 - 11 Apr 2011 Post subject: Re: Honda cb 125td-c where is the vin plate please? |
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| a_wh wrote: | Thanks for the quick reply, i just had another look and could just about see one number printed into the frame RH side of the headstock, a quick bit of sanding and its much more legible now but its not a 17 character code like i was expecting. Mine is an 11 character code in the following format:
Key:
C = character
N = number
U = not legible
CCNN-NNNNNUN
Should i be worried?? |
| a_wh wrote: | Well ive just been doing some research into this and it looks like its a pre 1980 vin before the standardisation came in. Just need to send off for the V5 now! |
Really early 82/83 ish bikes, had a frame number:
CB125T500####
Later bikes, had a frame number:
JC0650#####
Get scratching on the head stock to reveal the full number.
Engines were serielised to the bike, so the numbers should 'match', but there is an E inserted, eg: JC065E0#####
I have a REALLY early bike, with a CB125T5 number and an awful lot of 0's before the actual seriel number! as in one of the first 1000 made!
And yes, it is pre VIN standardisation.
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| Posted: 19:36 - 11 Apr 2011 Post subject: Re: Honda cb 125td-c where is the vin plate please? |
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | a_wh wrote: | Thanks for the quick reply, i just had another look and could just about see one number printed into the frame RH side of the headstock, a quick bit of sanding and its much more legible now but its not a 17 character code like i was expecting. Mine is an 11 character code in the following format:
Key:
C = character
N = number
U = not legible
CCNN-NNNNNUN
Should i be worried?? |
| a_wh wrote: | Well ive just been doing some research into this and it looks like its a pre 1980 vin before the standardisation came in. Just need to send off for the V5 now! |
Really early 82/83 ish bikes, had a frame number:
CB125T500####
Later bikes, had a frame number:
JC0650#####
Get scratching on the head stock to reveal the full number.
Engines were serielised to the bike, so the numbers should 'match', but there is an E inserted, eg: JC065E0#####
I have a REALLY early bike, with a CB125T5 number and an awful lot of 0's before the actual seriel number! as in one of the first 1000 made!
And yes, it is pre VIN standardisation. |
Mine looks like a later one then, its got the JC0650##### format.
Im yet to find the engine number yet but i did a check on the auto trader site and it seems to be registered with a CB125TE####### format engine number, hopefully this will match up with whats on the bike!! Also nice to know it hasn't been stolen or written off 
It hasn't been registered for 11 years so i need to apply for the V5 and a fair bit of restoration is needed but i'm looking forward to a little project!! |
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| Posted: 20:30 - 11 Apr 2011 Post subject: Re: Honda cb 125td-c where is the vin plate please? |
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| a_wh wrote: | It hasn't been registered for 11 years so i need to apply for the V5 and a fair bit of restoration is needed but i'm looking forward to a little project!! |
Hmmmm.. check out:-
Pup-Project: Photo-Resto; '86 Honda CB125TD-C (Pic Heavy!)
Over on show and Tell..... thats the G/F's bike, and SO FAR that 'little Project' has set us back over two grand, and eleven months persistant effort! And it STILL ent 'done' yet!
Bugbears are that the forks are unobtainable. Re chroming is your last resort. Second hand forks are rare and rarely much better, if they dont polish up!
Carburettors are a pain. The rubbers perish and are completely unobtainable, while over enthusiastic 'carb cleaning' sees needles worn to a new and unhelpful taper.
Ignitions are finikity.
The plastic tail units will be cracked.
The cloks tend to crumble.
and rear suspension?!?!?!?
Well the links all sieze and the shocks loose their damping.
Shocks are £80, and new bushes, over £100... and if the pivot pins hacve corroded, and need replacing, you can be looking at a £300 job n THAT little bit alone!
Petrol tanks notoriousely rust inside and flake, clocking the fuel tap and fuel lines, contributing to the worn by cleaning problem on float needles and seats.
Wheels are a pta to get clean, and finding the correct sized tyres for them in easy to fit tubes constuction AND reasonable price a pain! (Fit 2.75 front, 3.00 rear, instead... its stock CG size, and same as earlier Twin shock. Sits the rims nicely, too for very small loss in rolling diameter and section)
One goo thing is the seat bases are plastic so dont rot out, but foam can go rather crumbly!
Pressed section back bone of frame prone to rust, go over it carefully. Worth having it blasted before spending any money, make sure it hasn't rotted fro the inside to come back looking like swiss cheese!
Centre stands likewise, they crumble, colapse or generally go to pieces!
Switch gear is good though, but wiring not so hot! strands often corrode up inside the insulation, and can be broken in the middle!
Of ALL the bikes on could choose to 'restore', they are certainly a masocistic one, becouse even when 'done' they still aren't worth blugger all!
But, hey!
They ARE a wonderful ride when done properly, and that engine is a gem!
Looks like a commuter.
Goes like a two stroke.
Sounds like very little else with L-Plates!
But you have to build them well, and pay attension to the important stuff, like steering bearings, forks, and that back suspension, or they just feel horible!
Brakes pretty good too, but do benefit from braides line.
Have fun!
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| Posted: 20:51 - 11 Apr 2011 Post subject: Re: Honda cb 125td-c where is the vin plate please? |
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | a_wh wrote: | It hasn't been registered for 11 years so i need to apply for the V5 and a fair bit of restoration is needed but i'm looking forward to a little project!! |
Hmmmm.. check out:-
Pup-Project: Photo-Resto; '86 Honda CB125TD-C (Pic Heavy!)
Over on show and Tell..... thats the G/F's bike, and SO FAR that 'little Project' has set us back over two grand, and eleven months persistant effort! And it STILL ent 'done' yet!
Bugbears are that the forks are unobtainable. Re chroming is your last resort. Second hand forks are rare and rarely much better, if they dont polish up!
Carburettors are a pain. The rubbers perish and are completely unobtainable, while over enthusiastic 'carb cleaning' sees needles worn to a new and unhelpful taper.
Ignitions are finikity.
The plastic tail units will be cracked.
The cloks tend to crumble.
and rear suspension?!?!?!?
Well the links all sieze and the shocks loose their damping.
Shocks are £80, and new bushes, over £100... and if the pivot pins hacve corroded, and need replacing, you can be looking at a £300 job n THAT little bit alone!
Petrol tanks notoriousely rust inside and flake, clocking the fuel tap and fuel lines, contributing to the worn by cleaning problem on float needles and seats.
Wheels are a pta to get clean, and finding the correct sized tyres for them in easy to fit tubes constuction AND reasonable price a pain! (Fit 2.75 front, 3.00 rear, instead... its stock CG size, and same as earlier Twin shock. Sits the rims nicely, too for very small loss in rolling diameter and section)
One goo thing is the seat bases are plastic so dont rot out, but foam can go rather crumbly!
Pressed section back bone of frame prone to rust, go over it carefully. Worth having it blasted before spending any money, make sure it hasn't rotted fro the inside to come back looking like swiss cheese!
Centre stands likewise, they crumble, colapse or generally go to pieces!
Switch gear is good though, but wiring not so hot! strands often corrode up inside the insulation, and can be broken in the middle!
Of ALL the bikes on could choose to 'restore', they are certainly a masocistic one, becouse even when 'done' they still aren't worth blugger all!
But, hey!
They ARE a wonderful ride when done properly, and that engine is a gem!
Looks like a commuter.
Goes like a two stroke.
Sounds like very little else with L-Plates!
But you have to build them well, and pay attension to the important stuff, like steering bearings, forks, and that back suspension, or they just feel horible!
Brakes pretty good too, but do benefit from braides line.
Have fun!
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Wow i could well be taking on more than i imagined. Thanks for the link and a break down of what to look out for!!javascript:emoticon(' ') You could well be seeing a lot more of me on here |
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| Posted: 22:24 - 11 Apr 2011 Post subject: Re: Honda cb 125td-c where is the vin plate please? |
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| a_wh wrote: | Wow i could well be taking on more than i imagined. Thanks for the link and a break down of what to look out for!!javascript:emoticon(' ') You could well be seeing a lot more of me on here |
Lol! You have almost CERTAINLY taken on more than you imagined!
Almost every 'project' turns out to be more than anticipated!
But, thats half the 'fun' of a project!
I took on 'The Corporal' last summer. It was suggested it was a 'quick fix', it 'just' needed a new engine...... previouse owner 'reviving' the thing, getting it through an MOT, and promptly siezing it within a thousand miles, not cleaning the oil strainer or changing the oil (95th take note!  )
Almost a year later.... I have JUST ABOUT finished all the 'mechanical' stuff!
The engine was hauled out, and an engine from another bike with buggered frame lobbed in..... it ran..... BUT, with the engine out the hole, could tell it needed more than just the engine fixed, and did wonder, how it ever managed to get an MOT, having duff fork seals, and no oil in them, a soggy rear shock with no damping, damping provided by siezed suspension links instead, and clonking head race bearings..... and more rust than an derelect north sea oil rig!
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag0767.jpg
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag0833.jpg
It went down to the frame, to get the foks and back suspension 'done'
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag0899.jpg
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag1008.jpg
Then back up again
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag0924.jpg
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag1099.jpg
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag1100.jpg
Was looking quite good up to this point....
But then all the niggly bits need to be dealt with
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag1016.jpg
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag1545.jpg
Welding up cracks in the plastics, making new side panel lugs.
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/imag1542.jpg
Lots of muggering about on stuff like that, THEN.....
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/Bike325.jpg
Whey Hey....... she rides!
Like Crap!
So....
Back to the spanners, and a lot more tinkering..... like cleaning carburettors, and inside the petrol tank!
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/104_0107.jpg
Balencing teh carbs.....
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/104_0102.jpg
Only to concluse, the engine needs a rebore and top end rebuild!
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/104_0237.jpg
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/LD07%20Eng%20Build/imag1862.jpg
This is the 'High Lights' of the 'little' project that was SUPPOSED to be a 'quick fix' of a taxed, tested, road worthy bike, that has an engine fault!
It has NOT been renovated to the Standard Snowie's 'Pup' has, that's really been done 'no expense spared' to a phononomically high standard, and this one hasn't had all the links in the suspension replaced or the wheels powder coated.
And I have enough bikes that a lot of 'stuff' I could salvage 'better' second hand parts where bits were too far gone to be serviceable.
Yet, getting the bike to the standard its at, so far cosmetically the same, bar a bit more rust outside the tank...
Well, its cost more than any of the 'riders' that have gone up on e-bay in the last few months, with T&T on them, by a long way....
Only comforting thought is that out of the three 'riders' I know being sold in the last three months, at least one proved to be a nail, and another is still in doubt, and unless 95th does that ruddy oil strainer, his is likely to complete a hatrick!
(the95th has just bought one too!)
So I can say that doing one 'properly' can be worth while, even if they dont fetch a fortune on the open market. They will reward thier savior with reliability if done properly, frustration of you try and cut corners, and done properly, they really are a LOVERLY little bike to ride.
Its no scorcher by any stretch of the imagination, but its a genuine 70mph machine, and the way it howls up there is rather delightful!
But best bit is the way it 'rides'.
Its not just the handling which is a lot more 'sporty' then the bike looks, curtecy of pretty well damped forks and that sophisticated monoshock rear suspension, and that poweful twin piston front brake, but how stable, and 'planted' the thing is, and how comfortable!
It RIDES like a much bigger bike, not a lightweight.
Its legues away from the CG and its ilk commuters, and remarkable in how spritely it is against the sporty two smokes, yet, reassuring, and composed where they can be a bit 'eager'....
It MIGHT possibly be the 'best' 125, for all its qualities..... and I'm a full licence holder, with a DT and a CB750 I could be playing with instead, but at the moment, this little bike is bowlking me over, doing what it does, the way it does it!
You HAVE to get the value from using it, and enjoying riding it.....
On which basis, its worth doing, but its also worth doing 'well'.....
But.... if you need help..... few of us on here have them, and should be able to assist and advise!
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