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multijoy
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: The end of the spark plug? Reply with quote

T'article

The interesting stuff is down towards the bottom, but the long & short is that researchers have managed to run a 4 cylinder research engine using laser ignition rather than spark plugs. The principle to the engine remains the same, but the spark is significantly larger and would allow the engine to run with a much leaner mixture. You'd also lose the HT run to the cylinders.

It remains to be seen whether you'll be able to bump start it, and whether potential blindness is preferable to HT shocks when fettling...

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PostPosted: 08:06 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the laser failed, that would be it tho - all four cylinders would stop. Suspect it would go from working properly to total failure - unlike plugs which degrade.

Definitely has other benefits though.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 26 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens when you get a carbon build up on the laser?
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 26 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

baldy wrote:
What happens when you get a carbon build up on the laser?


it breaks?

More worringly if you've got a laser capable of igniting petrol vapour how long before some nutcase dismantles an engine and starts pointing it at petrol stations?
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 27 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt holding a laser in the palm of your hand will be as effective as a spark plug in a good streetfight.
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 29 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How will people piss the missus of instead of asking her to hold the plug while you crank it over?

I don't think a laser will be as argument inducing as a plug.
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 11 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Hammers wrote:
I doubt holding a laser in the palm of your hand will be as effective as a spark plug in a good streetfight.


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PostPosted: 19:56 - 16 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: The end of the spark plug? Reply with quote

multijoy wrote:
T'article

The interesting stuff is down towards the bottom, but the long & short is that researchers have managed to run a 4 cylinder research engine using laser ignition rather than spark plugs. The principle to the engine remains the same, but the spark is significantly larger and would allow the engine to run with a much leaner mixture. You'd also lose the HT run to the cylinders.

It remains to be seen whether you'll be able to bump start it, and whether potential blindness is preferable to HT shocks when fettling...

[edited for added typos!]


I'm rating your post purely for managing to use the word 'fettling', which is one of my all-time favourites. Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think i would rather have a spark plug than the laser but if they work out all the tweeks then it might be worth having though, who knows
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 21 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh, interestinggg.. remote control blow things up laser Smile
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 22 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

they say they will do all these new high tec things but it will never happen the trusty spark plug will never be faded out!
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 30 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikerdudematt wrote:
they say they will do all these new high tec things but it will never happen the trusty spark plug will never be faded out!


Electric engines Wink

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PostPosted: 20:23 - 16 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laser ignition sounds like an interesting idea. but It will only catch on with the engine manufacturers when one of two things happens;

1, it becomes cheaper than spark plugs, or
2, some expert convinces the government that it`s a good idea.

would you still be able to take a reading from the new laser plug to check timing and mixture?
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 16 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzr.steve wrote:

would you still be able to take a reading from the new laser plug to check timing and mixture?


You could probably plug in a fibre optic coupling and it would act as its own strobe.

I'd rather have a Tesla ignition though.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 16 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

From an adventure biking perspective this would be good, in that you can retard or advance the ignition easily by lengthening the optical fibre or shortening it...

Hence you could get high compression engines running in low octane environments, in Russia it went down to fifty octaine,

In South America it can go down to single figures,

In central Asia octane is irrelevant its just petrol scooped out of a barrel take it or leave it.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 16 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
From an adventure biking perspective this would be good, in that you can retard or advance the ignition easily by lengthening the optical fibre or shortening it...



light travels at approximately 186025.25 miles per second, how long would your fiber optic lead need to be Confused

and would cutting or adding a few feet, to say a 300mm length make much difference to the timing Confused

surly the timing on such an ignition could be mapped electronically or have I missed something Wink
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 21 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://scienceblog.com/44560/laser-sparks-revolution-in-internal-combustion-engines/

An actual development, at risk of dragging the thread back from the dead!
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 21 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll be a novelty high performance show off feature for many years before it would be considered for "proper" use. I'd prefer sparkies personally because as it's been mentioned above, laser breaks... bike stops. Plugs degrade. Even if one DID fail, you can still get home on the others
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 21 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great.

But I don't see where the shark goes?
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 21 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't petrol work using the diesel engine principal and ignite the mix by pressure alone?
I guess because petrol is too volatile.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 21 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Why can't petrol work using the diesel engine principal and ignite the mix by pressure alone?
I guess because petrol is too volatile.


It can. Called detonation and does loads of damage.

I presume that petrol under pressure becomes explosive while diesel just triggers a burn.

I would prefer that they just used spark plugs in a diesel to properly control the combustion Wink .

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PostPosted: 18:00 - 21 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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I presume that petrol under pressure becomes explosive while diesel just triggers a burn.

I would prefer that they just used spark plugs in a diesel to properly control the combustion Wink .

All the best

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Get a syringe in a vice, take the plunger out, seal the tip and put a little bit of petrol in. Put the plunger back in the top and hit with a hammer and the petrol will ignite and fire the plunger out the top.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 21 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Why can't petrol work using the diesel engine principal and ignite the mix by pressure alone?
I guess because petrol is too volatile.


If by mistake you start to fill up a diesel car with petrol, then say bollox. Stop and then get as much diesel in to the car as you car. To try and dilute the mixture. You'll be surprised just how well the engine runs. Guess how I know this?
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 21 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Depends on the car. Do it with many modern common rail ones and you will kill the pump (time for an insurance claim).

Used to be the thing to do with diesels in winter though to avoid problems with the fuel going waxy.

All the best

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