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 Posted: 23:36 - 14 Jun 2011  Post subject: CCT going/gone? And oil leak |
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One thing after another eh? 
So I replaced the radiator, filled her up with fresh coolant and there's no leaks, also sorted the temp gauge out as it still had the connector form the old unit which was crap.. Fan works, radiators works, gauge works. Brilliant!
And regarding the 1st gear going into neutal when clutching it up... I realised what the problem was.
Me  I had my foot ready underneath the lever to switch into second, and I was using the gear level as a kind of "brace" which would knock it into neutral
After i realised this might be the problem... It didn't do it at all! Tosspot that I am.
Now, however... I can hear the CCT clicking a lot more, and recently found an oil leak which made the engine run low on oil, estimating 2L rather than 4 
when I changed the oil and oil filter, and then started her up I heard some loud knocking which I've never heard before, but it was gone within a few seconds, so I'm guessing it was njut a case of oil getting to those places? Done many oil changes, but never heard that noise on my bike before!
I can hear the CCT rattling a bit more than usual though, and I'm wondering whether the lack of oil was anything to do with this...
Regarding the oil leak, it seems to be right the the oil filter/PAIR valve thingymabob is. Definately not the oil filter leaking, or where it connects. Must be behind it... which is gonna be a frigging pain! The leak is only one small drop every 5-seconds. As long as I top it up it should be alright, yes? Obviously I'll get it sorted but I'll need a long weekend to do it as it's taking the downpipes off jobbie 
I've taken a video of the CCT rattle and I'll put the link on here once it's uploaded.
Again, any info appreciated 
Should really know the bike by now... Hornet 6 '99
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| Posted: 00:10 - 15 Jun 2011 Post subject: |
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I don't known if it's because im on my phone but there's no video.
CCT could have been rattling because the oil hadn't been circulated around the engine. I believe CCT works on oil pressure (once the oil has heated up that is). I don't know if your oil leak would be affecting the oil pressure therefore defecting the way the CCT works?
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| Posted: 00:25 - 15 Jun 2011 Post subject: |
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I did say once the video it's uploaded I'd put the link here... nevermind.
Here it is...
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509016614#!/video/video.php?v=10150202973201615
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| Posted: 12:40 - 15 Jun 2011 Post subject: |
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If it was me, seeing as its a 30 second job to take the CCT out, I'd take it out and give it a good clean and cover it in some oil.
Honda CCT's are crap.
Some times just taking them out and putting them in again can be enough if it's stuck between a tooth.
Also that's quite a big oil leak and I expect when riding it will be dripping more than that. It's also directly inline with your reat tyre so take it easy on the bends! I would look at that as soon as.
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| Posted: 10:35 - 16 Jun 2011 Post subject: |
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Awesome. Hopefully that's it. I haven't been riding it for that reason...
Can't I screw up the CCT quite easily though?
Next couple of days off... 
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| Posted: 11:24 - 16 Jun 2011 Post subject: |
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To sort the CCT, undo the srcew at the top. There will be a spring that will come out. Be careful as sometimes they contain ball bearings.
Then undo the 2 bolts that attach the tensioner. Pull the tensioner out. Then clean it.
All you need to do before you put it back in is reset the ratchet. Just lift the little tab and push the end back. You'll know what I mean.
Then put it all back in the reverse order making sure you put the spring in last. It will click as you put the spring back. This is the ratchet re-adjusting. Then turn the bike over manually and it will probably click a couple more times.
Your safe to start it up and hopefully the noise will go. Give it a good run down a junction on the motorway or soemthing.
Its not a big job. If you've got a haynes have a look in there as it explains it much better that I do. You can't go wrong if you follow that.
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| Posted: 18:11 - 18 Jun 2011 Post subject: |
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Awesome ta.
I've got the workshop service manual so that should hopefully have it in. Will do it on my day off. 
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| Posted: 21:47 - 18 Jun 2011 Post subject: |
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Could always fit a Debben manual CCT, good bits of it and not that expensive.
Depends if you can get your CCT working. That said I've ridden HOndas with sticky CCTs before with no issues. (Touch wood)
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| 0l0dom0l0 wrote: | To sort the CCT, undo the srcew at the top. There will be a spring that will come out. Be careful as sometimes they contain ball bearings.
Then undo the 2 bolts that attach the tensioner. Pull the tensioner out. Then clean it.
All you need to do before you put it back in is reset the ratchet. Just lift the little tab and push the end back. You'll know what I mean.
Then put it all back in the reverse order making sure you put the spring in last. It will click as you put the spring back. This is the ratchet re-adjusting. Then turn the bike over manually and it will probably click a couple more times.
Your safe to start it up and hopefully the noise will go. Give it a good run down a junction on the motorway or soemthing.
Its not a big job. If you've got a haynes have a look in there as it explains it much better that I do. You can't go wrong if you follow that. |
As far as I'm aware, the CCT on the hornet are very similar to the one on my CBR, and there is no spring that pops out when you undo the top bolt. You just have take the top bolt out, wind the tensioner back with the "special tool" (a small peice of metal, you get this with the new tensioner) that locks the tensioner in place. then remove the 2 other bolts and remove the whole lot + the old gasket.
You can use a small flat headed screwdriver to wind the tensioner back instead, but it's a bit of a juggling act holding it in place and removing the tensioner without dropping any of the bolts.
My CBR has always had a rattly CCT, even when I fitted a brand new one. I don't know why people make out it's a problem, it's just a normal noise for these bikes with. I've dismantled one of these CCTs, are there are so few parts in them, the only way for one to "break" is if the spring snapped, but they are such long, softly wound springs under very little load, i very much doubt that would happen. The rattle is just caused by the fact that the shaft fits quite loosly in the body of the CCT, and the tip of the shaft is fitted to the shaft quite loosely; They are like this from brand new!
If you guys would like, I can get some pics of the tensioner dismantled. But only if you request me to, else I'm not going to waste my time I've got the old one knocking about in here somewhere... (Subsequently, the "old" one I removed turned out to be a pretty new up-to-date model, with the 2 blue spots on it, as opposed to 1 blue spot, or 1 black/grey spot).
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| Noxious89123 wrote: | As far as I'm aware, the CCT on the hornet are very similar to the one on my CBR, and there is no spring that pops out when you undo the top bolt. You just have take the top bolt out, wind the tensioner back with the "special tool" (a small peice of metal, you get this with the new tensioner) that locks the tensioner in place. then remove the 2 other bolts and remove the whole lot + the old gasket. |
Ahh fair enough. I didn't know it didn't have a spring. I assumed it would be the same as the Fazer one, as they all work on the same principal.
He's got the manual anyway which will probably detail a cleaning routine for the CCT.
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| Noxious89123 wrote: | As far as I'm aware, the CCT on the hornet are very similar to the one on my CBR, and there is no spring that pops out when you undo the top bolt. You just have take the top bolt out, wind the tensioner back with the "special tool" (a small peice of metal, you get this with the new tensioner) that locks the tensioner in place. then remove the 2 other bolts and remove the whole lot + the old gasket.
You can use a small flat headed screwdriver to wind the tensioner back instead, but it's a bit of a juggling act holding it in place and removing the tensioner without dropping any of the bolts.
My CBR has always had a rattly CCT, even when I fitted a brand new one. I don't know why people make out it's a problem, it's just a normal noise for these bikes with. I've dismantled one of these CCTs, are there are so few parts in them, the only way for one to "break" is if the spring snapped, but they are such long, softly wound springs under very little load, i very much doubt that would happen. The rattle is just caused by the fact that the shaft fits quite loosly in the body of the CCT, and the tip of the shaft is fitted to the shaft quite loosely; They are like this from brand new!
If you guys would like, I can get some pics of the tensioner dismantled. But only if you request me to, else I'm not going to waste my time I've got the old one knocking about in here somewhere... (Subsequently, the "old" one I removed turned out to be a pretty new up-to-date model, with the 2 blue spots on it, as opposed to 1 blue spot, or 1 black/grey spot). |
Agree with that entirely.
The Honda CCT is just a screw with mild spring pressure on it causing it to wind out. I also think it is the tip that rattles around as the pin in it is pretty basic and looks a tad loose even on the new ones. The bolt in the end just stops oil coming out and crap getting in.
The yanks hammer a nail punch in either end of the roll pin to flare it out a little more stopping the rattle. My CBR went very noisy, changed the CCT and within 3k the new one is beginning to make a similar noise albeit much much quieter.
As for the CCT winding tool, it is just a tab of metal, I lost the one that came with my new CCT so I recently made one out of an old dinner knife and a dremel, the dimensions are in the Haynes manual . |
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