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bennell09
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Nasty bogging when trying to take off Reply with quote

i gave the bike a good clean on saturday and while i was at it i whipped the carb off and gave it a good flusing out with carb cleaner. while i had the carb off i adjusted the float hight because it was flooding from the overlow spout then removed the carb boot and reed block to clean the bits of crud that were on them, fitted a new gasket to replace the tierd old one and reassembled. on sunday morning the bike fired up first kick as normal and ran fine once warm. parked the bike up overnight at the girlfriends and watched for the overflow. a little fuel come out but this is because of my fuel tap isnt fully turning off when in the off position. anyway, this morning the bike took forever to kick up turning over for a split second then shutting off. i managed to get it going by giving it some revs untill it was able to idle of its own. on my way to work the bike ran like crap. starting from a stop i have to give the bike some beans or it just bogs down and stalls? whilse over 5k the bike runs good and the powerband is strong but the throttle feels heavy and resistive to be twisted easily? and to top it all of my headstock bearings have gone (steel ball bearings) and on wemoto it shows taper roller bearings can it be a direct replacement?
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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starting from a stop i have to give the bike some beans or it just bogs down and stalls? whilse over 5k the bike runs good and the powerband is strong but the throttle feels heavy and resistive to be twisted easily?


This says you have a binding throttle cable/slide and the slide isn't dropping fully down. That will cause poor cold starting and a high idle when warmed up.

I would go over the carb and cables again. Make sure the choke is working too.

Did you mess with the needle?
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bennell09
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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starting from a stop i have to give the bike some beans or it just bogs down and stalls? whilse over 5k the bike runs good and the powerband is strong but the throttle feels heavy and resistive to be twisted easily?


This says you have a binding throttle cable/slide and the slide isn't dropping fully down. That will cause poor cold starting and a high idle when warmed up.

I would go over the carb and cables again. Make sure the choke is working too.

Did you mess with the needle?


unfortunately i have no choke because the previous owner cut it off Thumbs Down but i do have a new one on the way, to compensate this the bike starts first kick when cold, but from reading this morning this means my pilot is too rich doesnt it?
my spark plug on saturday is half tan colour and half sutty blackish brown. when idleing in neutral the revs flow with no problems and the throttle is nice and smooth but when running its rough. the only adjustment to the carb ive made is with the float high which ive decreased so i can shut the fuel off erlyer to prevent flooding
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leaning the engine by lowering the float height isn't a great idea on a two-stroke. Leaner mixture means more heat and too much of that means a seized engine, usually at speed.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Leaning the engine by lowering the float height isn't a great idea on a two-stroke. Leaner mixture means more heat and too much of that means a seized engine, usually at speed.


cock... ill adjust it when my fuel petcock arrives hopefully today but could this be the sole problem? i hate carburators and jetting/fuel issues i dont have the patience for them. so.. bending the tab up (looking at the carb on the bike) on the floats, allows the pendulam to stop fuel from entering the bowl erlyer thus making the mixture leaner and vice-versa
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, lowering the fuel height by bending the tab up will lean the mixture across the board.

Do you have a manual for the bike so you can check what the float height should be? Usually it;s measured by tunring the carb upside-down and taking a measurement from the carb body at the float bowl sealing face to the highest point on the float, and check both sides are equal.

If it's over-flowing after setting the float height then you should look at the needle to see if it is grooved where it seals in the seat. This can be fixed by opening the hole in the seat a little so that it seals on a wider part of the needle taper and then re-setting the float height.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Yes, lowering the fuel height by bending the tab up will lean the mixture across the board.

Do you have a manual for the bike so you can check what the float height should be? Usually it;s measured by tunring the carb upside-down and taking a measurement from the carb body at the float bowl sealing face to the highest point on the float, and check both sides are equal.

If it's over-flowing after setting the float height then you should look at the needle to see if it is grooved where it seals in the seat. This can be fixed by opening the hole in the seat a little so that it seals on a wider part of the needle taper and then re-setting the float height.


thanks fella for the info, ive also got a manual in the post which should come today. ill have a close look at the needle but im sure it was in good condition. i know the pendulam that attaches to the floats is stopping fuel as i check by attaching fuel line and blowing down it whilse lifting the floats which do close it off and stop me from blowing down it. on the carb(vm26), the screw on the size that adjusts the air/fuel, which way do i turn it to do what?

thank you again mate
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