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CaNsA
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: New bike bits :D Reply with quote

Bought these

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqN,!hsE1Qj-0Zp3BNjHVe5RIw~~0_12.JPG

On the 02/06/11

from here

Arrived this morning

https://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/248665_10150632392685790_820015789_19043403_1873159_n.jpg

https://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/248975_10150632392775790_820015789_19043405_3152891_n.jpg

https://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/259813_10150632392950790_820015789_19043408_3510466_n.jpg

Very solid feeling, cant wait to fit them Very Happy


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PostPosted: 08:08 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see the original ad to guess at the quality or origin of the seller, but after this, where Doug binned his Street Trip due to dodgy levers, I'd doubly make sure everything is sweet about the fit and operation of em, before going out on a good hoon.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Can't see the original ad to guess at the quality or origin of the seller, but after this, where Doug binned his Street Trip due to dodgy levers, I'd doubly make sure everything is sweet about the fit and operation of em, before going out on a good hoon.


IIRC, Doug did say that he noticed there wasn't a receiving port for a pin, or something, but fitted them anyway. I've certainly had no problem with pazzo knock-offs.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Can't see the original ad to guess at the quality or origin of the seller, but after this, where Doug binned his Street Trip due to dodgy levers, I'd doubly make sure everything is sweet about the fit and operation of em, before going out on a good hoon.


Doug is a tit for buying "Folding Foldable Levers sliding levers".
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A low speed crash does NOTHING to the brakes - I've had 2 of them. The only bit that went was a bit of the anodising. They're forged/machined so they didn't snap. To be fair though, I would be surprised if they weren't forged.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tot wrote:
A low speed crash does NOTHING to the brakes - I've had 2 of them.

2 What, brakes or crashes?
Strangely I've broken most brake levers having a bike knocked off a side stand...... so I don't rate the chances of a brake lever in an actual spill, however fast... or do you mean that THESE particular levers are a bit tougher than most, and being shorter, a tad less vulnerable, hence have survived your multiple crashes?
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The only bit that went was a bit of the anodising. They're forged/machined so they didn't snap. To be fair though, I would be surprised if they weren't forged.


You mean 'forged' as in like a £10 copy of Van Gough's Sunflowers, or 'forged' as in heated to a temperatute beneath molten, but above solid, and squashed into shape?

If levers were steel, they may be 'forged', but rather hard to anodise. Aluminium a lot easier to anodise, but rather a lot harder to forge....

They will almost certainly be 'cast', and I suspect, difference you may be alluding to pressure die cast, as opposed to gravity die cast or mold cast, whether by such a process as cavitated or lost wax or lost foam....

Die providing a high component accuracy 'ex cast', pressure die casing, ensuring a good die fill. But unlike steel, where the properties of the component are hugely effected by the chyrystaline structure created during forming, aluminium is rather less variable, and the strength and brittleness far more greatly influenced by the actual alloy composition.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had 2 crashes with the same set of levers I had.

I think it's definitely aluminium purely because it's hard anodised. I'm not familiar with the grain structures of aluminium and its alloys (mostly look at ferrous components - austenitic and ferritic steels).

But looking at it, it feels lighter and stronger than my old levers which I know were die cast ( you can see the mould flashing that wasn't finished off). Or they could be die cast and then given a machine finish.

But considering the volume and output, the forging process in china is viable at the pricepoint they're selling them for. You look at description and it also says forged aluminium.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always be wary of a seller selling clutch levers when they can't spell clutch in the leading description. Wink

https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/jgillard/leversummarize.jpg


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Seriously though, they look the part. Just make sure they fit ok and are not too tight or too loose at the pivot.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tot wrote:
But considering the volume and output, the forging process in china is viable at the pricepoint they're selling them for. You look at description and it also says forged aluminium.

I was thinking, in the bath... aluminium is difficult to forge becouse of it work hardening, and the low melting point, with very narrow band between plastic and molten. But, I SUPPOSE in a way similar to 'cold' extrusion, could be a hybrid process, or 'one shot' cold 'die' pressing, that would be pseudo forged.... provided it's not too complicated a shape, or too many changes of section.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm waiting to receive the exact same levers for my ER6. Ordered them a week ago so no idea when they will turn up.

Hoping they are pretty good quality but for 38 quid you can't go wrong just as long as they fit correctly.

Plenty of people seem to be well pleased with their pazzo knock offs and I've not heard any horror stories.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 25 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe on reflection you can go wrong with cheapo levers, I got mine and fitted them.. Maybe its something I did wrong but the front brake locked solid after about 2 miles, only thing I could do was take off the lever....that freed it off. Refitted lever only for it to happen again.

Any suggestions guys??
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 25 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Becareful if it's not fitting right.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=220912

fozzym wrote:
Maybe on reflection you can go wrong with cheapo levers, I got mine and fitted them.. Maybe its something I did wrong but the front brake locked solid after about 2 miles, only thing I could do was take off the lever....that freed it off. Refitted lever only for it to happen again.

Any suggestions guys??

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PostPosted: 20:28 - 25 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
Becareful if it's not fitting right.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=220912

fozzym wrote:
Maybe on reflection you can go wrong with cheapo levers, I got mine and fitted them.. Maybe its something I did wrong but the front brake locked solid after about 2 miles, only thing I could do was take off the lever....that freed it off. Refitted lever only for it to happen again.

Any suggestions guys??


Dude, read the thread.....

CaNsA wrote:
ThoughtControl wrote:
Can't see the original ad to guess at the quality or origin of the seller, but after this, where Doug binned his Street Trip due to dodgy levers, I'd doubly make sure everything is sweet about the fit and operation of em, before going out on a good hoon.


Doug is a tit for buying "Folding Foldable Levers sliding levers".
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 25 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having read that thread it sounds exactly what happened to me today just luckily without the shitting off down the road bit, thank God.

I'm gonna put the original kawa ones back on and save for real Pazzo levers I think.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 25 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look guys,

2 points to remember about Dougs mishap.

1,

The circled areas are points of increased stress, very prone to snapping. Hence why i wouldnt even consider buying them.
https://i54.tinypic.com/2whoxnk.png

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Doug wrote:

The brake lever I ordered turned out to be incorrectly machined. There is a hole that the brake pushrod seats into, but in the new lever it must not have been quite deep enough. This was where the combination of shoddy parts and my mechanical incompetency resulted in true disaster. Despite it being a very tight fit when I installed the lever, I decided to persevere anyway, because I'm a total bellend.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 26 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That link wasn't for you, it was for the other guy who I quoted since he missed the thread... Also he is having issues.
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 26 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fozzym wrote:
Maybe on reflection you can go wrong with cheapo levers, I got mine and fitted them.. Maybe its something I did wrong but the front brake locked solid after about 2 miles, only thing I could do was take off the lever....that freed it off. Refitted lever only for it to happen again.

Any suggestions guys??


If you used the same levers as Doug then they should not be on the market. They are dangerous. Whether the seller gives a crap is another matter, but buyers should be warned. If you buy cheap and total your bike because of then that's stupid. If you die because of it that's something else.
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