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koolio
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Loctite Red/Blue? Reply with quote

Never used the stuff, but there is a first for everything.

I usually use spring washers + copper grease.

I believe on other bikes I've had, I've removed bolts and screws before that had a softish blue material on threads making it harder to screw out I understand this is loctite?

So question is this, I want to secure nuts and bolts on the engine as well as reduce corrosion. The engine is made of an aluminium alloy and the new bolts and nuts I have are stainless steel.

Should I use the red or blue loctite? I'm worried the loctite will burn under high heat.

Is copper grease advisable instead?

My plan was to loctite the bottom of the threads and copper grease the rest.

Would appreciate your thoughts and what you do on your bikes.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loctite 272 is rated for High Temp applications according to the website.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stuff will be fine on everything bar exhaust studs.
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Loctite Red/Blue? Reply with quote

I wouldn't bother copper greasing if you are using loctite, the loctite is both a locking compound and an antiseizing measure. Use copious amounts of copper grease on any hot parts (exhaust studs etc) as normal grease will burn off. Always use thread lock on brake mounting bolts!

For normal engine bolts you don't really need loctite, a dab of copper grease and the bolts done up to the correct torque is plenty. Loctite is expensive so I only use it in the locations where the workshop manual suggests it is of some benefit. I use the blue loctite, have used it on loads of things of various temperature and it has held Thumbs Up , the engine itself doesn't get THAT hot, the exhaust is the bit to avoid.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Loctite Red/Blue? Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
I wouldn't bother copper greasing if you are using loctite, the loctite is both a locking compound and an antiseizing measure. Use copious amounts of copper grease on any hot parts (exhaust studs etc) as normal grease will burn off. Always use thread lock on brake mounting bolts!

For normal engine bolts you don't really need loctite, a dab of copper grease and the bolts done up to the correct torque is plenty. Loctite is expensive so I only use it in the locations where the workshop manual suggests it is of some benefit. I use the blue loctite, have used it on loads of things of various temperature and it has held Thumbs Up , the engine itself doesn't get THAT hot, the exhaust is the bit to avoid.


I have a 70s Honda twin and the vibrations are such that engine bolts do eventually come out which I need to replace. I like the anti-corrosive property of copper grease but believe I need some more stick hence the loctite.

On another note, can I use loctite just about everywhere? So for example on the threads that hold the front wheel on the axle etc. ?
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't use it on any plastic fairing/mudguard screws (not likely in your case but good general info). The vapours released during curing causes plastics to craze and crack arount the bolt holes if you use loctite.

As a general rule - red is permanent, blue is semi-permanent. anything you want to remove later don't use red on. Of course nowadays with so many grades it's better to look up the actual spec of the number on the bottle.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Loctite Red/Blue? Reply with quote

koolio wrote:

I have a 70s Honda twin and the vibrations are such that engine bolts do eventually come out which I need to replace. I like the anti-corrosive property of copper grease but believe I need some more stick hence the loctite.

On another note, can I use loctite just about everywhere? So for example on the threads that hold the front wheel on the axle etc. ?


Ah fair enough - in which case the blue loctite will be perfect - you wont need copper grease as well, just the loctite.

I use loctite 243 Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the help blue I reckon is for me.

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you wont need copper grease as well, just the loctite.


I was thinking loctite on the threads and copper grease on the bolt part for corrosion protection, no?
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

koolio wrote:
Thanks everyone for the help blue I reckon is for me.

I was thinking loctite on the threads and copper grease on the bolt part for corrosion protection, no?



Thread lock both protects the threads from corrosion AND acts a thread locker Thumbs Up . The grease would get everywhere when torqued down and would probably do a rather good job of inhibiting the ability of the locking compound to keep the bolts in place.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to use Loctite 243 on the threads of my bike's oil pressure sensor, so you wouldn't do too bad getting some 243 as it's heat and oil proof.
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