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chris-red
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Car insurance question Reply with quote

Looking at finally passing my car test this year and maybe getting a motor.

This question is confusing me


What type of licence do you have, that is easy UK full.

How long have you held it, now I passed my bike test in 2005, but would have passed my car test only recently.

If I put 0 years prices are £1500+ if I put 6 prices are £700.

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PostPosted: 16:25 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car insurance, How long have you held your CAR entitlement.

You have a FULL BIKE LICENCE now, provisional car.

When you pass car test you'll have held your FULL UK CAR for 1 day.. the date will be stamped on the bike.

Hope that helps. Thumbs Up

1st year car insurance...and subsequent performance cars are so expensive.


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PostPosted: 16:26 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't say car entitlement, It says driving licence I have 1 driving licence which has been full for 5-6 years.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, well your insurance will see it as how long have you had your full uk licence with car entitlement.. Laughing

They aren't fussed if its a bike, you didnt gain experience in a car if you get what I mean. Your car pass will be stated on the back... if it worked that way people would just used the first date they passed Laughing

I'd have an additional year giving me another discount, wont work that way.

Like having a car since 2004 and then getting DAS in 2011 and getting a GSXR, saying you have had licence since 04 will obviously give you better quotes, but insurers will just cancel insurance when you send in copy of licence Neutral
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not ring your bike insurance and ask for a quote,They may give you a better deal.I passed my bike test before my car and got a years no claim bonus.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ring them. I managed to move my bike NCB to the car policy when i started. Had a car license for a few months, with 5 years NCB.

Bike policy went up from £80 to £150, while car dropped from £1,000 to £300.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously? Are you sure you aren't trolling?

They are ONLY INTERESTED in the licence for which is required to legally drive the vehicle you are getting a quote on! Later on you can put "Own a motorcycle" or whatever but it makes no odds to them whether you've had a motorcycle licence for 1 year or 50 years.

TL;DR: Licence entitlement that legally permits you to drive the vehicle you are quoting for.

Some companies will allow you to put your bike NCB on your car, it is worth asking. Thumbs Up!
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

To play devils advocate, you have a licence which legally allows you to drive a car as soon as you get your provisional. When I first passed my car test I thought it meant full car licence as well and put this down for the quote.

The premium was significantly more than if I put either the date I first got my licence, or the date I passed my bike test. In the end I phoned up a couple of companies which came out top and some accepted the date I got my licence (provisional). Strictly speaking, someone who has had a provisional for e.g. 5 years could have 5 years driving experience.

Looking at it another way, if you lose your licence (banned) then you lose all entitlements - you only have one licence, so how long have you had it?
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It says, what type of license do you have that entitales you to drive this vehicle? You say full.

It then says how long have you held the license selected above?

It's referring to car license.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 21 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They cant have their cake and eat it.

In this country you can only hold one licence wth multiple entitlements. That license is ether full, provisional, or even full with additional provisional entitlement. All points go onto the one licence as you can only hold ONE. Therefore when insurance ask how long have you held your licence then the answer is the issue date printed on it, as the question is looking for driving experience.

When I worked insurance, you would be surprised how many held their provisional for 4/5 years or more, in fact by passng their test it was a factor in increasing price that the "held licence" reverted to o years.

So you currently have a full licence, thats it.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
It says, what type of license do you have that entitales you to drive this vehicle? You say full.




No It doesn't you can just make up your own questions. Laughing

It says Licence Type, I have a FULL UK Driving Licence, which I have had for 5/6 years.

Everyone who doesn't agree with putting 6 years has based it on implied logic. If they wanted to know when I passed my Car driving test why not ask that question. The question is not about when you passed your test or what entitlement you have it is about what licence you hold.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok,

I'll put it this way.

My flatmate is doing his mod2 today.

Held car licence for 4 years.

When he goes to insure his '92 GSXR today should he pass... would he put down 4 years.

No?
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Ok,

I'll put it this way.

My flatmate is doing his mod2 today.

Held car licence for 4 years.

When he goes to insure his '92 GSXR today should he pass... would he put down 4 years.

No?


It depends on the question, Everyone is making up there own questions. Laughing

A more apt question would be when did you pass your test or how long have you had your bike entitlement.

All I'm saying is if it is the way the naysayers are saying it is it is an ambiguous question, anyway I fired off an email to their customer services let see what they say.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
anyway I fired off an email to their customer services let see what they say.


Be nice to know what they say, I do get what you mean though... the question is a direct "What licence do you have?"

Yours is full... but they really should specify Car licence, like thebikeinsurer do, ask how long you have been riding and held that licence, then ask about holding a car licence.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
chris-red wrote:
anyway I fired off an email to their customer services let see what they say.


Be nice to know what they say, I do get what you mean though... the question is a direct "What licence do you have?"

Yours is full... but they really should specify Car licence, like thebikeinsurer do, ask how long you have been riding and held that licence, then ask about holding a car licence.



There answer literally is the deciding factor between me getting a car or not. I probably will hardly use a car but I feel I need to get started with it. At £700 insurance I can just about stomach it, £1500 no chance.
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A reasonable person would conclude that they're interested in how long have you've had car entitlement. That reasonable person test is what will ultimately matter, in the event of a dispute. Don't try to get smart, you're only kidding yourself.

Of course, if they come back and say "Oh, sure, bike entitlement counts, have £800 off the price", I'm cheerfully eat my lid. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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Of course, if they come back and say "Oh, sure, bike entitlement counts, have £800 off the price", I'm cheerfully eat my lid. Wink



You haven't looked into insurance have you?

Don't expect it to be logical


TPO cover on a Volvo T5 Estate,

£3500

TPFT cover, more expensive surely...

£3100

Add my Dad to the policy as a named driver, more expensive right? adding another driver.

£2500

Changing parking from on the drive to on the road.

£2400

Adding my mum to the policy as well

£2200

Changing my Job Title from Data Analyst to Data Processor

£2130
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay if you want to put 5/6 do it Laughing

Then when you send your driving license off and they look at the date you passed your DRIVING test and see it wasn't 6 years and they cancel your insurance you'll then have to declare that you've had insurance cancelled etc.

Currently you have had a car provisional for 5/6 years so if you were getting insurance for a car on l's you would put the 5/6 years.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragstaar wrote:
Right, just called Aviva, Direct Line and Churchill.

They all said the same thing which is this:

"What type of Licence held?" Arrow This means, what licence do you hold at this moment in time in relation to the vehicle you are wishing to insure? So If its a Bike, what type of Bike licence do you have? (Provisional or Full - they don't pay attention to A1 or A2 entitlements, you just need to have to right one for the bike you want)


"Period Licence Held For?" Arrow This is unrelated to the above question. This, they just want to know how long you've had the Licence as an item. forget about entitlements, forget about everything. Just when did you first get your licence. Aviva and DirectLine even went as far to include any Provisional time on your licence. Churchill said from when your photocard turned pink. (or if you're an old'un from when you first passed a test). Churchill were the also the only people that said that if you passed your Bike licence 7 years ago, and your car 4 years ago, and you want to insure a car, then the answer to this question would be 4 years. they don't count the bike years. All the other companies said they count the bike years too.

There you go, all clarified!


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=226402


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PostPosted: 10:11 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
Okay if you want to put 5/6 do it Laughing

Then when you send your driving license off and they look at the date you passed your DRIVING test and see it wasn't 6 years and they cancel your insurance you'll then have to declare that you've had insurance cancelled etc.

Currently you have had a car provisional for 5/6 years so if you were getting insurance for a car on l's you would put the 5/6 years.


I want to put 5/6 it will save me money I also want to put the right answer. I don't want to get in trouble and so far you argument has be nonsense not based on any facts. I have emailed them and I'll see what they say I was after advice from people who know what they are talking about, like dragstar below who actually went and found out.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sod insuring that Volvo Laughing

It costs me half of your starting quote for a sports car, I dont have the best history with claims either Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Sod insuring that Volvo Laughing

It costs me half of your starting quote for a sports car, I dont have the best history with claims either Laughing


I have 6 points, 1 50/50 claim and I'm 24. I don;t think I should have to pay this much!
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
##Paddy## wrote:
Sod insuring that Volvo Laughing

It costs me half of your starting quote for a sports car, I dont have the best history with claims either Laughing


I have 6 points, 1 50/50 claim and I'm 24. I don;t think I should have to pay this much!


I've got 3 points, silly amount of claims with silly money and 23.

What car are you aiming to get? I've only had 4 cars, but the cheapest to insure was my Rover 75 Laughing followed by a BMW 328i then the 1.4 Astra and 3l Supra were the same. Laughing
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