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Hi everyone, hope everyone is having a good weekend. Well, I'm interested in buying a bike. I've never even been on one before, so I think I'll go on a training course to see how I feel on a bike, before anything else.
But, lets leave that aside for a moment. A little about me, 27 (nearly 28) years old, car driver (I have no passion for cars, it takes me from a -b, that's all).
I haven't yet decided what type of rider I will be, I don't even need a car for my job. I can easily walk and I live in a small town, so nothing is too far out of the way.
Will I use the bike everyday as a commuter or mostly for days off/weekends? I'm not sure yet. My only concern right now is feeling comfortable on a bike, I don't mind taking things slow.
Talking about speed, I'm not a speed demon. Anything that goes past 80 mph is probably wasted on me.
I prefer the "traditional" bike look over sportsbikes.
I'm thinking about buying a 125 cc bike first, get used to it and then move onto something bigger. A Royal Enfield, Triumph Bonneville or Norton Commando would probably be the type of bike I'd like to go for after the 125 cc.
A few questions..
Can anyone recommend a 125 cc bike ?
Are Teflon jeans good? Compared to a normal pair of jeans how "safe or protected" are they? |
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Good plan. You'll need to do a 1 day CBT course on a 125 to validate your provisional entitlement, which will give you a good feel for whether biking is for you.
Your 125 will be a tool for learning to ride and (perhaps) getting through your test (unless you decide to go DAS), so I'd suggest a basic commuter: a 3 year old YBR 125, CG 125 or a CBF 125 are the most sensible choices, easy to ride, will cost the least to run and hold their value the most. If you want something with a bit more style, the YBR 125 "Custom" has slighty more classic looks, while retaining all the ability of a standard commuter.
Heh, kevlar jeans, well, it's going to depend on the brand. Draggin' have a line that's fully CE certified - most other bike clothing only has CE certified armour inserts. However, I'm not enthusiatic about the kevlar coverage in the particular Draggin' jeans that I have, and I had to add in armour pockets myself, a pretty amazing omission (so amazing that I didn't even ask if they had them).
So I'd suggest looking at Hood and Sartso brands first - they seem to take the subject seriously across their range. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Teflon jeans? Teflon is the non-stick coating they put on frying pans and the like yes? So they might help you slide down the road that bit faster but they're going to do nothing for impact protection.
The most important bits are helmet and gloves. A water proof padded jacket would be fairly essential too. Trousers & boots are a bit more optional but a good idea. If you're commuting you're going to want everything to be waterproof.
I suggest booking your CBT ASAP, it's training not a test and will get you able to ride a 125. Then you can decide if you want to go straight in for the test, or ride a 125 for a bit.
If you're considering something old and british, or either of those 2 things i suggest you buy a set of spanners and figure out how to use them  |
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Teflon lol I think I lost my brain for a bit there !
Thank's for the answers  |
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Honda CG125's are old fashioned.
Mine's a '91 but ever single one is about the design of the 70's and the technology from god knows but they're good learners.
Aswel as YBR's, CG's are the most common I think. Have a look around. CB's are good too if a little less common for parts being discontinued alot earlier. ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S, 1979 MZ TS150.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 18k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 10k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 - 40k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 52k. |
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I think some of you guys are trying to tell me something about old bikes.....
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If you want to go bigger than a standard commuter, then you're looking at a Hyosung GT125 or a Honda Varadero 125. But really, the 125 is a tool, not a fashion statement, and any of the standard commuters will do you fine.
If you get a 100cc then you won't be able to use it for an A2 test. That's not an issue if you're planning to go for a DAS test (pay a training school to train and test on their 500cc+ bike and get a full unrestricted A license).
First step is to do the required CBT - it'll likely be on a YBR, CB or CBF (or perhaps a Chinese-branded equivalent) and it'll give you a good feel for whether that kind of bike is for you. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| enfield-fan wrote: | I know two mechanics  |
| Frost wrote: | Well that's you covered for 2 late night break downs, but what were you planning to do after that  |
| enfield-fan wrote: | I think some of you guys are trying to tell me something about old bikes.....  |
Not just older bikes, but lolder learner legals, thrashed, crashed and trashed by a succession of know nothing newbies not knowing how to either ride them or look after them, and loath to spend money on a bike they only want to get them through tests on.
Old CG, would, by that dint of logic be perfect preparation for running a leaky, clunbky old classic like a Norton, Meriden Triumph, Redditch Enfield, or armoury Road Beeza..... almost all of which will probably be older than you! Chrikey! Most are older than ME, and this lot take the piss out of my age on here!
Not a lot wrong with my jeans though........ fit me good enough, you just have to forgive the more thread bare patches around my hairy old arse! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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| enfield-fan wrote: | | Blurredman wrote: | Honda CG125's are old fashioned.
Mine's a '91 but ever single one is about the design of the 70's and the technology from god knows but they're good learners.
Aswel as YBR's, CG's are the most common I think. Have a look around. CB's are good too if a little less common for parts being discontinued alot earlier. |
I like CG125's actually, I'm wondering something (this may sound silly) how big are these bikes?
I'm 6ft 2.
Yamaha RXS100 also looks pretty cool. I think come Monday I better go to the bike shop and have a look around, sit on some bikes etc. |
This is I on my cg.
https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/Blurredman/Cars%20and%20Mine/P1060466.jpg
I am 5'11", and overweight. And as wooden as, well.. a stick according to that photograph.
They are small bikes to look at from a 3rd party. But when you're on them they're not that bad. I've got long legs but came with no such pivoting problem as far as the handlebars were concerned.
Flat footed while stationary is damn more comfortable then being on your tippy toes! Seating position is more comfortable then my GPZ500 and so is the suspension.
Teflon mike says alot about the previous owners and yes that is a big factor, so if you're worried about that you can get a newer one. I'm only the 11th noob to ride the thing aswel as my brother passing his tests on this very bike aswel a few months down the line after me.
Brakes are crap though. ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S, 1979 MZ TS150.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 18k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 10k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 - 40k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 52k.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | enfield-fan wrote: | I know two mechanics  |
| Frost wrote: | Well that's you covered for 2 late night break downs, but what were you planning to do after that  |
| enfield-fan wrote: | I think some of you guys are trying to tell me something about old bikes.....  |
Not just older bikes, but lolder learner legals, thrashed, crashed and trashed by a succession of know nothing newbies not knowing how to either ride them or look after them, and loath to spend money on a bike they only want to get them through tests on.
Old CG, would, by that dint of logic be perfect preparation for running a leaky, clunbky old classic like a Norton, Meriden Triumph, Redditch Enfield, or armoury Road Beeza..... almost all of which will probably be older than you! Chrikey! Most are older than ME, and this lot take the piss out of my age on here!
Not a lot wrong with my jeans though........ fit me good enough, you just have to forgive the more thread bare patches around my hairy old arse! |
hmm.. actually when I mentioned Enfield, Norton etc in my first post I was thinking about the new models
Surely there are older125 bikes that have been loved and taken care of? |
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Blurredman, nice picture! Thanks for the information , I'm not worried about previous owners really. If I was to look at one, I'd bring a mechanic along with me to suss things out.
So would you recommend one of these for a new rider? |
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Oi Y'b'stard y'sed there was no film in the camera!
| enfield-fan wrote: | hmm.. actually when I mentioned Enfield, Norton etc in my first post I was thinking about the new models
Surely there are older125 bikes that have been loved and taken care of? |
The 'modern' Enfields are made in India.... with tooling shipped out there from Redditch when it was deemed 'Scrap' fifty years ago.....
I like them; I think they have a lot of merit; but I don't think any-one actually considers them any more 'reliable' or less demanding of maintenance than the ones that came out of Redditch sixty years ago!
As for Norton... I keep hearing people TALK about 'New' Norton's.... have been since I was a kid, and they stopped making the Commando..... saw a couple of Rotaries escape captivity in the 90's..... but I cant say I have seen any other evidence of any of the other rumors, and certainly not in the last ten years!
Hinkley Triumph is another matter..... but I dont see any significantly large 'identity' difference in what they acre chucking out compared to anything the Japs or Waps have been making for the last twenty years.
Rocket Tree maybe a 'bit' different, but not much; while the 'new' Bonnaville, doesn't really look that 'retro'... Kawsaki's W650/800 looks more old brit-bike to me!
But hey-ho!
As for older 125's that have been taken care of?
Yes, I guess that there must be the odd one or two out there...... but then there are probably also a few delivery miles only Honda CBX-6's, and CX650 'Turbo' that's never burned any oil......
A still in the crate 1980 Yamaha XT500 turned up on e-bay a couple of months ago, as did a genuine, 1981, one owner, 800mile, Yamaha DT175MX......
So it's quite possible..... whether you would find one; and whether you would be able to wrestle it from its loving owners grasp for what any-one else would consider 'sensible' money, is something entirely different!
125's have roughly a seven year, 35,000mile expected service life.
They are lightweight bikes, where they cant be over engineered for durability, without making them heavier and tainting the performance they dont have to begin with, which is 'barely adequete'; and built down to a cost, where they might generate a very small profit, given what the market will stand for such a low performance machine, when it costs barely much more, by way of labour and materials to make a motorcycle twice the size, with more useful and appealing performance, and some scope for more durability, paying customers are much more willing to pay for.
BEFORE you give them to newbie numpties to abuse!
Yes, there are some 'better' bikes out there, and some do do 'all right'.... but circumstances do not bode well for little bikes, and the odds of finding a good'n, certainly in an older and or cheaper bike are not great! The 'odds' are stacked FAR to highly against it. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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Dear Telflon-Mike,
I can't help but notice that you have not one, not even two, nope not three! , but FOUR CB125 Bikes. I've come to the conclusion that you are trying to hog these little babies for yourself and are trying to persuade others against them so you can add to your collection.
I'm not being entirely serious here...
Kind regards for the words of wisdom ! It is appreciated! Older bikes might be more trouble, but life is trouble. And they have charm. I think so anyway. |
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| crackfinder wrote: | https://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/
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Like I said; I have heard so many rumours over the last thirty years.... but I have yet to see anything, in private hands, being USED as a motorbike out to!
| enfield-fan wrote: | Dear Telflon-Mike,
I can't help but notice that you have not one, not even two, nope not three! , but FOUR CB125 Bikes. I've come to the conclusion that you are trying to hog these little babies for yourself and are trying to persuade others against them so you can add to your collection.
 I'm not being entirely serious here...
Kind regards for the words of wisdom ! It is appreciated! Older bikes might be more trouble, but life is trouble. And they have charm. I think so anyway. |
Actually there were seven.... one of which Snowie nabbed as 'Her' bike... other six remained mine, but two of them are, little more than piles of scrap....
And ONE of them I have just sold..... one of the few 'loving owner' 125's you seek! Having been completely restored by me, from a complete wreck! Keeps me busy!
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Corporal Punishment! Foto-Resto ANOTHER '86 Honda CB125T (This is the one I have recently 'finished' and sold)
Pup-Project: Photo-Resto; Honda CB125TD-C (FINISHED!) (Snowie's 'first time' ground up renovation project to learn her mechanics)
The state these bikes were in when they arrived was not untypical of what's out there by way of older or cheaper bikes. Both were sold by optimistic sellers, suggesting a 'quick and easy' fix to make them roadable; Corporal was actually even taxed & MOT'd!
And the trouble is, that these bikes sell! Buyers looking at 125's, often know no better, and have more enthusiasm than sense.
And, with more nieve, hopeful buyers around than bikes to buy, and with 'decent' bikes costing upwards of £800, for which they see Chinky-Fake-Away bike in a box adds, (Excluding deliver, at exorbitant price, and including all forms for 'self registration'; no taxed paid or warranty given.....) they think 'SHIT! Could have a CAR for that.... if I could afford to insure it!' and decide that if they can get a brand new Chinky-Fak-Away for £800, they ought to be able to get a good second hand Jap for under £500.....
And what they find is bikes like these, already WELL past their prime and in serious maintenance over draft; which IF they even work, don't work well.
Some even have MOT on them, and can be ridden away; others can be MOT's fairly easily... but it's after that, they find they don't go very fast, keep breaking down, wooble or generally misbehave; but most old or cheap 125's are, as those two arrived; pretty much 'beyond hope'... any many end up either never being fixed, or costing an arm & a leg... or the get lucky, and they find a home with some dolt like me, that fixes them up for the love of it! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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Great work Mike and Snowie Both bikes look fantastic. I suppose If I ever end up with a Bike that needs work I can call upon the prince and princess 125 to help breathe new life into her?
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