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Valentino Mossy
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Eletrical Problems on the ns125r Reply with quote

Hi all. Thumbs Up
As some of you might remember, I had an engine seize up on me back last month, And thanks to Ian ( Thumbs Up ) I got his old parts for the bike.
Well for the last 3 weeks (While working Crying or Very sad ) I've rebuilt the engine, but been having problems with the electric's.
For some reason I've been getting no spark at all.
Batterys okay as the lights,horn etc.. all work ( charged the battery just incase).
I thought i buggered up the ht lead and the coil, so i got a second hand one from a honda scrappys and that has'nt done the trick.
Any way I got myself a muliti meter and narrowed the problem to the CDI and the regulater/rectifer unit as they are not given any readings.
One point on the regulater plug looks like its burnt Sick
Has this buggered up the CDI or the other way round ?

Most importantly " Why has this blown just by changing the cyclinder head etc... ?"

Any ideas whats happened ?

Ian more parts please ! Thumbs Up

Thanks guy's and gals ! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an ns125f same bike but with no fairing,Any way i got a mulit meter on mine and i had no readings but i have a very very weak spark. I narrowed this down to a capcitor in between the coil and the h.t lead that i had put on to join a new h.t lead with i took it out and cut the head off a screw and put that it and wot do u know it started!!!! Laughing


Hope this helps
Kev
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard,

Regulator is in the post free from charge in the morning.

You should get it in the next few days.

Yours,

Ian.

PS. If this does not work, then you have a connection problem some place !
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Personally I would say to check all the wiring connecting the engine to the wiring loom. Check the connections are clean. Check the engine is earthed, and also check for any missing earth that you disconnected when you rebuilt the engine.

The regulator / rectifier unit just controls the charging of the battery. On its own with the battery charged it should have no effect on the running of the engine.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian (GPZ400R) wrote:
Richard,

Regulator is in the post free from charge in the morning.

You should get it in the next few days.

Yours,

Ian.

PS. If this does not work, then you have a connection problem some place !


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Do you want any thing for it ?

What other eletrical stuff have you got , and i'll send the check 1st thing tommorow ?
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Personally I would say to check all the wiring connecting the engine to the wiring loom. Check the connections are clean. Check the engine is earthed, and also check for any missing earth that you disconnected when you rebuilt the engine.

The regulator / rectifier unit just controls the charging of the battery. On its own with the battery charged it should have no effect on the running of the engine.

All the best

Keith



So the regulator is just for the battery, What does the CDI do ?
Is like the ESU (Main computer )on cars?

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PostPosted: 19:03 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

CDI stands for Capictor Discharge Ignition system

Its basicly Capictors discharging creating a spark

It is triggered by a magnetic pick up on the alterantor


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PostPosted: 19:04 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard,

I've also got the main wiring harness and spare coil, but you have tried that option (coil).

I think myself that you have a bad earth connection some place for no spark on the plug, you can check this with a simple test or two.

1/ Take earth from battery to engine via a new lead (bit of wire).
Place spark plug on block and kick over engine to see if you get a spark.

If you don't get a spark, then you have a wiring problem that is some other place.

Check all wires that go to the coil and to the main junction box.

Check that the kill switch is not faulty and connected properly, cos this will also stop it sparking.

2/ Another simple test, take a wire from earth on batt and wrap it round spark plug, then kick her over to see if it sparks, if it does spark and not when resting on the engine / frame work, then you have a bad earth going the the engine / frame.

If you still get no place, the only option is to take wiring harness off bike and check every wire for a break with a multi-meter.

If you want the Regulator, just say and I'll send it to you for nowt.

Yours,

Ian.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilldic_mossy wrote:
So the regulator is just for the battery,


Yes. Simply put the rectifier turns AC to DC while the regulator controls the voltage to keep it around 12V (actually a bit higher than that, but nominally 12V for 12V electrics).

lilldic_mossy wrote:
What does the CDI do ?
Is like the ESU (Main computer )on cars?


The cdi unit controls the ignition timing. Basically it uses a sensor on the crank to know when to discharge the coil to generate a spark. This is opposed to older systems which used mechanically operated points to trigger the spark. More modern systems vary the time when the spark occurs depending on engine revs.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:19 - 01 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian (GPZ400R) wrote:
Richard,

I've also got the main wiring harness and spare coil, but you have tried that option (coil).

I think myself that you have a bad earth connection some place for no spark on the plug, you can check this with a simple test or two.

1/ Take earth from battery to engine via a new lead (bit of wire).
Place spark plug on block and kick over engine to see if you get a spark.

If you don't get a spark, then you have a wiring problem that is some other place.

Check all wires that go to the coil and to the main junction box.

Check that the kill switch is not faulty and connected properly, cos this will also stop it sparking.

2/ Another simple test, take a wire from earth on batt and wrap it round spark plug, then kick her over to see if it sparks, if it does spark and not when resting on the engine / frame work, then you have a bad earth going the the engine / frame.

If you still get no place, the only option is to take wiring harness off bike and check every wire for a break with a multi-meter.

If you want the Regulator, just say and I'll send it to you for nowt.

Yours,

Ian.


Hold off on sending it just yet ian,I'll try that test out first on Thursday.( I'm on these stupid 2days on, 1day off shifts 6am-6PM !)
I'll send you a PM on thursday if the weathers okay !

Cheers again Ian !

Went down to Busters in swansea today, And started drooling over a VFR 400 Razz ,£1850, need to pass the test quick !
They had a CBR400 there as well,but liked the VFR 400 better.
What are they like to handle and to run ?
(I can reach the floor tidy,but seems alot heaver then the nsr )
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