Trousers.

[WannaBeDude]

I have textile with hip and knee and kevlar with same.

Don't do leathers.

Some bloke on ane on the tv decided to wear jeans on his R6 / 1 ... instead of his leathers, whilst on a ride out with 20 others.

Now if i'm going on a ride out with others, i'll wear my best stuff.

Weather seemed mild aswell.

Bike or wife, he's sold bike.

His leg / shin was smashed to bits, nearly lost leg, clever surgeon and plastic fixed him to a degree.

Would leather trousers or even textile or kevlar jeans lesson that injury ?

And finally, anyone know some good textile type trousers that incorporate shin and even thigh protection ?

It does not help that i also don't do long legged boot.

So an interesting ' gear ' thread, for many bikers afaik stick some jeans on and think their ok - ish ..


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[junglejim]

[DrDonnyBrago]

We aren't really protected against impact injuries, we mostly wear gear to minimise impact injuries in low speed crashes and give us some abrasion resistance in high speed crashes. If you go at high speed into hard obstacles your gear doesn't do a lot.

By the sounds of it his injuries would have been bad regardless of what he was wearing. Armour panels spread the force of the impact out over a bigger area - like getting punched by someone with boxing gloves on, it hurts less because the area of the fist is bigger and the rate of deceleration of the other guys hand is slower as it compresses the padding in the glove.

If the injury was caused by hitting a hard corner i.e. on the curb then armour could possibly help a bit, although not a lot if it was at high speed. If it was a crush injury caused by having his leg squashed between car and bike then it wouldn't help much. The armour in our kit is rather overrated too, I'm sure someone on here (stinkwheel?) said a cheese sandwich passed the same safety tests as motorcycle armour inserts.

More important would be to consider why he crashed in the first place.

[angryjonny]

On a race-track leathers are the obvious choice because if you come off, 90% of the time you're simply going to be skidding along the tarmac and that's what leathers cope with best.

Real-world riding, however, in anything other than optimal weather conditions leathers are hot and sweaty or cold and draughty and not waterproof. A decent set of textiles will keep you warmer, drier, more comfortable and therefore less distracted, potentially helping prevent rider-error accidents.

Leathers are better in certain crashes. As has been said above though, they won't save you if you hit a tree or go under a van. Textiles, arguably, may help prevent you getting into a crash in the first place. That is more difficult to quantify though.

[doggone]

Even a break is going to be worse if the broken bits wear along the road more than they might in leathers or good textiles.

If you can afford gear buy it, if you have gear wear it whenever practical. It won't do you any good hung up at home.
What's hard about that.
Ride in jeans and trainers and you might be lucky or you might not.

[DrDonnyBrago]

There is also risk compensation to consider. In short - feel safer and you ride like more of a dick. I doubt many people are killed because they are wearing textiles rather than leathers during a crash but I know I ride differently (faster, more of a dick) wearing leathers and I am sure many others do too.

[G]

Your post is confusing.

Abrasion resistance will help skin being torn up etc.
Leathers have the best abrasion resistance generally.

Armour can make lower impacts irrelevant and may help reduce the severity of larger impacts - though they could also act to make the damage worse in some ways too.

Good fitting trousers will help "keep it all in", which can make a big difference to recovery. They can act like a splint to some degree too.
A good fit also means armour stays where it is, protects what it should and is less likely to injure other parts.

Leathers offer the best chance of good fitting clothing.
It's much rarer to see jeans or textiles that offer a tight fit.



A colleague of mine crashed wearing jeans and trainers.
Luckily/ironically enough it was outside a hospital. A car flash another car leaving the hospital out as he was passing.

His leg got dragged down the road, wearing away at the bone for a couple of inches.
A very painful recovery, then having to deal with an opiate addiction after that.
Had he been wearing leathers and boots, he probably would have broken his leg in a similar fashion. But I suspect his recovery would have been much quicker with much less of his leg cheese-gratered on the road.

I broke my leg later that year, though landing from some height racing. I was only in hospital for two nights.
Sure, it was a different break, but I suspect he'd have overall been in much better shape with boots and leathers/textiles (or even some proper kevlar jeans, to be fair - but having everything 'held together' would have been best I reckon).

[Paris2]

I agree with G, your post is confusing, I had to read it twice.

[junglejim]

[Taught2BCauti...]

I can recommend the Philip Island range of clothing from 'Bikers Gear' https://stores.ebay.co.uk/Biker-Gear-UK?_trksid=p4340.l2563 - good value and excellent service.

I think it's important not to let safety gear give you a false sense of security that would affect your riding style.

[WannaBeDude]

I should clarify further.

The chaps leg had a hole the size of a mans hand, and the shin bones were shattered, so much so that they found a 4 inch piece on the road.

I lol'd at one of the ambulance crew, who said, oh look, weve just found a piece of bone on the floor. I would of thought she should of kept that quite, the biker said, WHAT !

The jeans were normal ones and seemed not very thick either, it seems to of been an impact injury, but proper gear would of seen it held together more as stated above.

It took a while for them to ' brace it ' etc.

My boots are HG tricky and have ankle protection, i was meant to refer to not liking sidis etc.

It seems that the legs have little protection, bar knees and hip inserts. This is my summer jacket, i thought, great protection, why can't they do some trousers like this jacket, with the hard plastic prominent on the shins and thighs.

As for bikers crash, and the cause, it was not stated, although they sa he was on a rideout with about 20 bikers, and he was new to biking, he had an R6 - maybe R1.

I'd say, ride to your ability, esp when out with better riders.

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[WannaBeDude]

Can't beleive there appear to be no tight fitting textiles with more leg plates ..
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[motoman]

I have a pair of Rukka trousers which are a neat fit. They are also using latest technology on their products ...

https://www.rukka.com/mxl-fashion/rukkawww.nsf/pages/en_mc_defence.html

but not cheap.

[WannaBeDude]

Nice, which ones have shin and thigh armour then, they all look the same ?
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[1cyl]

I feel safe when i'm snapping up the clips on my boots, pulling on my gauntlets and zipping up jacket. But by the time i get on the bike my goggles have steamed up and i'm struggling to change up through the boots, i feel like i'm attempting operate the bike through a zorb for the first 5 minutes!
I wear safety clothing for obvious reasons but i feel its a hinderence to my control/awareness, i often wonder what the probability of me having an accident would be if i rode around in a t shirt and Jeans with no lid.

Also, i love my big off roady boots but what happens if it gets caught up and twisted round, backwards, thats gonna be my leg!
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[WannaBeDude]

Same thing is said about crash bungs ...
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[Robby]

The solution is not to ride at silly speeds in an area where you can hit something solid at high speed. The guy you're talking about broke his shin, maybe carbon fibre leg armour would have stopped that happening. Wouldn't have helped if he hit something with his back or ribs though.

I don't wear armour, its uncomfortable and distracting, therefore more likely to cause a crash of some description. My leather jacket and kevlar jeans give me abrasion protecting and a small amount of impact absorbtion. For major impacts I accept that I'll break bones and walk with a limp. One of the risks of riding.

[WannaBeDude]

If there is motorbike pants out there with carbon bits on them, then i fucking want some !!
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[Handsome]

If it's pissing down then I wear either leathers or textiles and boots ( Walking boots )...

If the weather's fine then I wear jeans and boots/trainers...

If it's motorway journeys ( i:e Rally ) then I'll wear leathers nine times out of ten...
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