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| totalllama82 |
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 Posted: 12:51 - 04 Oct 2011 Post subject: Argh SMIDSY's |
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It seems I go through stages where I get a patch of SMIDSY's and wondered if you guys got this too?
Sunday, a leisurely ride down to my branch of J&S and took the long way home through some of the twisty A roads. Taking my time at the back of a line of cars we approch a crossroad where my road has right of way (A road where a B road crosses). A guy in a VW golf is sitting patiently until the line of cars in front of me pass then lunges 6 feet forward/into my path. Luckily i'm not doing anything crazy so jam on the anchors and give him a questioning look.
Monday, A 2 lane roundabout, taking the third exit. I'm in the right lane going round past exit 2 and a van hurtles out into the inside lane without looking. He got a fingerwag 'naughty'.
Tuesday, Filtering through a line of cars doing about 5 mph. Road is jammed up. A guy switches lanes without indicating (or looking!) in front of me. I get side by side to see his blackberry in his lap and a big glum look on his coupon. He got the visor point - mirror point - head shake treatment.
Hopefully thats my last one for a wee while. Reckon I need to bust out the hi vis vest again  ____________________ Gone: Haotian HT125-8 / Yamaha YZF 600R Thundercat / Kawasaki ZX9R C2
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Don't bother with the hi-viz - makes no difference - I still got taken out by someone who didn't look.  |
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Orange wheels, loud can, bright lid.
I've never worn a hi viz, so haven't been able to see what changes on my commute... but i've been pretty SMIDSY free recently  |
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I had one this morning actually; was just moving over into a left hand only lane (traffic to the right of me had stopped, I was about to be the first in the left hand only lane. Well anyhow, riding over the "keep clear" lines a van decides to pull out from here.
He only pulled a foot or two out before he spotted me, and I was going slow enough to stop if he didn't so not too fussed about it really  ____________________ 2004 R1 & 2018 XSR900 |
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I was knocked off whilst wearing my hi-vis. Even got the immortal words "Sorry mate I didn't see you".
Just saying  |
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why is this shit about fake SMIDSYs going about?
AFAI'm concerned, a smidsy is a crash, not a near miss.
all these claimed ones are fucking NEAR MISSES. crash or something, and when the guy gets out of the car and says ''sorry mate I didn't see you'', then make a post about having one. ____________________ Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
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| The Artist wrote: | It does. You are stupid if you think it doesn't make a difference. |
Prove it.
It is easy to say it is brighter, therefore it is more visible, therefore I will be less likely to die but if you really think about it I am not sure that it is true. Most of the stats suggesting white lids and Hi Vis are protective are outdated, from different countries and biased in the sense that safer riders will seek out ways to make themselves safer (i.e. buying a white lid and hi vis) and are less likely to be involved in a crash regardless of their gear. We need a large scale random controlled trial to know for sure.
I happen to think it doesn't make a difference for several reasons. The most obvious one is that many SMIDSYs are caused by people not looking in the first place - hi vis will not make a difference here. Then you have a large number of accidents caused when people did look but didn't see you.
In these instances Hi Vis could be a bad thing, for a start it can camoflague you against a background of pale colours or something like the sky (i.e. as you come over a hill) but also, and IMO most significantly it breaks up your outline. Humans recognise objects subconsciously by a few things but shape is a BIG part of it, the silhouette of a motorcyclist with and without hivis are significantly different. A guy with dark gear and no DRLs has a defined outline, a guy wearing hi vis vest, white lid, coloured bike with a headlight on is a splash of random colour without a crisp silhouette. Breaking up the silhouette is the technique used by zebras as camoflague because it means they cannot be singled out among the herd. Same thing was used as camoflague on warships because it makes it hard to judge size, detail, shape, distance, speed and direction - several things I would like a car about to pull out to judge accurately about me.
i.e. Dazzle camouflaged warship
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/HMAS_Yarra_%28AWM_016263%29.jpg
I can't prove if it is safer to wear or not wear Hi vis, white lids and run DRLs but the point is, to date neither can anybody else. Makes it rather concerning when the EU is force feeding hi vis gear onto many countries' motorcyclists. |
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I have never worn a high vis apart from on my DAS. And I dont think I could be persuaded to, by people saying it makes a difference because IMO I dont think it does.
What I find makes the most difference is a loud end can, and lots of revs when filtering.
My bike had its MOT last week, I had the standard can on whilst riding to work, the amount of times I nearly got deaded on the way there was a massive increase compared to when I have my Tyga fitted  ____________________ "The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had" |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 113 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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