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PostPosted: 20:53 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Nearly wiped out by 2 idiots tonight Reply with quote

Idiot 1 on a ER6-F approaching a roundabout on a through-and-right lane, slowing, with right indicator on.

Idiot 2 on a GPz 305 approaching in a left turn lane, left indicator on.

Idiot 1 nods politely to Idiot 2. Idiot 2 waves cheerily and proceeds on to roundabout as Idiot 1 rides straight through onto single exit lane. Swervy brakey sweary dodgy stuff happens. Idiot 1 proceeds up the tailpipe of Idiot 2, doubtless thinking "Muppet mental!" while Idiot 2 thinks "What have you got, a fishing license?", before Idiot 1 (presumably) finally realises that his right indicator is still merrily flashing, and turns off at the next roundabout.

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Hopefully, Idiot 1 remembers to cancel his indicators in future. Idiot 2 definitely vows to follow the Highway Code advice to "be aware [that other roundabout users] may not be signalling correctly or at all", and not to trust a fellow biker in a situation where he wouldn't (and doesn't, at that roundabout) have trusted a cage.

Well, lesson learned, that Idiot 2's first memorable judgement fail and close call in 2 1/2 years of daily motorbicycling. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:59 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry mate, didn't see you. The vest dazzled me.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:52 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg. I tried to rate your post as interesting as I liked the paint diag but my silly little ferret jumped on the keyboard and changed it to cool. Sorry.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always always see bikes that forget to cancel their indicators!
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:48 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often wonder if we should have indicators at all on roundabouts. If you use them, nobody pays a blind bit of notice and you can't trust what someone elses indicators appear to be telling you.

Be safer all round if nobody indicated at all. I personally use hand signals on roundabouts.
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I often wonder if we should have indicators at all on roundabouts. If you use them, nobody pays a blind bit of notice and you can't trust what someone elses indicators appear to be telling you.

Be safer all round if nobody indicated at all. I personally use hand signals on roundabouts.


Unfortunately there are too many retards that don't know how to use their indicator on a roundabout. My main annoyance is people who don't indicate off a roundabout when they are going straight on. It means I have to stop in situations where if their indicator was on I could go.

(so you know, this isn't me putting trust in indicators as the times that I would be pulling out they would not be touching me because I'd be making quick progress. The main reason for stopping is so I'm not pulling out in front of someone even if they're not catching me).

To be fair from what I've seen, the majority of people haven't got a clue how to use a roundabout and indicate correctly so your opinion of lack of indicators probably more closely resembles the reality of how things are.
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PostPosted: 05:46 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

J5 wrote:

Unfortunately there are too many retards that don't know how to use their indicators


This.


I agree that people dont know how to use roundabouts.

I have to use a mini-roundabout everyday and its funny how many times you end up with 2 or 3 people sitting there because they dont know whose got priority.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I often wonder if we should have indicators at all on roundabouts. If you use them, nobody pays a blind bit of notice and you can't trust what someone elses indicators appear to be telling you.


Mmm, I normally don't, especially on this roundabout. Idiot 1's approach path used to be 3 lanes (left, through, right) but some genius road planner reduced it to 2 a few months back for no good reason that I can see.

Of course, you can't trust the lane either - this is the same roundabout where I would have been taken clean out by a Plodmobile hoofing it straight through while indicating left from a left lane, except that I anticipated his antics (which merely confirmed my opinion of typical Plod drivers).

So, yes, I usually go by watching the wheels and acceleration, at least on on cars. Assume that they're going to mash you up until you can see otherwise. I would have sworn by his approach that Idiot 1 was going to hook right though, so I guess I can't really judge other bikes. (Thus, Idiot 2).


stinkwheel wrote:
Be safer all round if nobody indicated at all. I personally use hand signals on roundabouts.


Well, I did wave - partly in acknowledgement of Idiot 1's courtesy in signalling right so that Idiot 2 could proceed "safely". Very Happy

I do give left hand signals when it seems appropriate. Right is a bit trickier what with engine braking, but it's something that I might work on.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps roundabouts and indicating should be taught on the cbt?
We where just expected to know how the road works (luckily iv been driving since march) and one blokes didn't have a clue about even traffic lights! Shocked

would help stop crazy shit like this?
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pl3ppp wrote:
Perhaps roundabouts and indicating should be taught on the cbt?


They are.

That said, I was in the car with my missus the other day when we saw 2 students and an instructor on bikes around town. They turned at a set of traffic lights, the 2 students cancelled their indicators straight away and the instructor didn't. I thought it might be because they were turning at the next set of lights which weren't far down the road, but nope, they went straight over with the instructors indicator flashing happily away. Muppet.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a case in point to all the people who have ever complained that being failed for leaving their indicators on is unfair/sily.

It might FEEL a trivial thing to fail on, but this is a clearcut example of the miscommunication and potential risk it causes.

Hope a strong cuppa did the trick after Rogerborg.

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PostPosted: 11:37 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing that was covered when i did it, was Mirrors, life saver, Indicate position. When you wanted to turn left or right...
We played the 'mars bar game' with who left them on... I only did once, but one bloke literally did it about 27 times over the 2 hours. Still passed.

Still on roundabouts non of the lanes, or where to indicate was explained, In fact i got extra kudo's for knowing when to indicate followed with 'You can tell you can drive - you know the road' as if it wasn't even expected Confused Dunno if that's the same for all schools tho?
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recluso wrote:
I think this is a case in point to all the people who have ever complained that being failed for leaving their indicators on is unfair/sily.

It might FEEL a trivial thing to fail on, but this is a clearcut example of the miscommunication and potential risk it causes.


Indeed, that would have been a test fail - for both of us.



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Hope a strong cuppa did the trick after Rogerborg.


It wasn't a big deal, it's not like he hadn't seen me. It was more embarrassing for both of us. I just thought it was funny that my nearest miss so far has been with another bike, when both of us should have known better. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I often wonder if we should have indicators at all on roundabouts. If you use them, nobody pays a blind bit of notice and you can't trust what someone elses indicators appear to be telling you.

Be safer all round if nobody indicated at all. I personally use hand signals on roundabouts.


this. i dont indicate on roundabouts, only when turning off a main road or something. i generally find people are very cautious of bikes coming round a roundabout and wait unlike if it was a car they would squeze through.

although it wouldnt of helped here as it was bikers being the problem
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:37 - 09 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Indeed, that would have been a test fail - for both of us.


Why for you? I've I understood the scenario correctly you didn't do anything wrong. And in a test situation, if you didn't go and the guy had turned right, you would have been penalised for hesitation I would think.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 09 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

shooter wrote:
Why for you? I've I understood the scenario correctly you didn't do anything wrong. And in a test situation, if you didn't go and the guy had turned right, you would have been penalised for hesitation I would think.


As far as I am concerned, all an indicator suggests is that the bulb works. As Roger pointed out, he should have been "aware [that other roundabout users] may not be signalling correctly or at all". Pulling out on someone indicating incorrectly should be a fail because this will happen A LOT off test, if the student showed they couldn't handle this then they are not ready to be out alone.

Of course we all have our moments of uncharacteristic stupidity, but the test can't really distinguish between a rare lapse in concentration and a genuine lack of road sense.

In short, it happens to the best of us, but if it happened on a test I'd expect to fail it.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 09 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I agree in principle with all of that, but if you are not prepared to trust people indicating at a busy mini roundabout in rush hour for example then you're going to be waiting there a very long time.

Almost this exact situation came up when I was doing my DAS training and I got a bollocking from my instructor. I didn't pull out because the approaching car (indicating left) appeared to be going at a speed to suggest he was actually going straight on.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 09 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

shooter wrote:
Well I agree in principle with all of that, but if you are not prepared to trust people indicating at a busy mini roundabout in rush hour for example then you're going to be waiting there a very long time.

Almost this exact situation came up when I was doing my DAS training and I got a bollocking from my instructor. I didn't pull out because the approaching car (indicating left) appeared to be going at a speed to suggest he was actually going straight on.


Mini roundabout's are a bit different but on the big un's...

....I don't trust none of em, test situation or not. If I'm unsure then I'm not going.

I see it to often that peeps indicate but carry on. You really can't trust an idiot. Exclamation

I'd rather fail my Mod 2 than pull out and get hit, which funny enough would be a fail anyways Laughing

Your Instructor must have had a Brain fart or something, he's gotta realise safety is paramount. I'd take the bollocking and tell him where to go after the lesson.
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