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PostPosted: 10:05 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: 21 year Old finished Product - Honda Hornet 919 Reply with quote

I dont know how to embed, so if someone could do that for me that would be great!

I built this from stock. I was 20 years old when I started and now 21. It was also my first project bike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd9nBu09QUw


Let me know what you think of it. I sold it last month.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame you sold it. Showed it to another hornet owner. He will like.

Did a good job with it. Exhaust is boring though. Sounds pretty standard, however, it looks the nuts. Smile Normally with projects like that you lose money, so surprised you didn't keep for a while.

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PostPosted: 10:15 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, The exhausts cost peanuts. Got them off a mate before he sold his bike. I really liked the look of dual underseats at the time. On hindsight I wouldve had a single side exhaust, something much louder.

Bought the bike for £2400, it came with a load of spare parts with it for some reason and manage to sell them for just over £1K and sold the bike for £3500. Did all the labour myself.

I was riding it for about 18 months or so and doing it up as I went along.

Toying with the idea of a GSXR 600 next.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you could like/comment/share/subscribe to the video that would be much appreciated. Will also keep you updated when I start my next project. Smile
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

love it top job.waiting eagerly for next project Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 01 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Appreciated.

What do you think I should do for the next one? I've gotta be sort of careful about my choice because of insurance. I found a LOVELY example of a 2008 R1, but the insurance was like £1300. My hornet was £186 after 1 years NCB so thats quite the jump.

Was looking at CBR600 and GSXR 600/750, ZX10 and Fireblades.

Part of me was tempted with doing a chopper of some kind too, but I think that would be much harder to pull off.

I REALLY like this bike (hopefully you can see it). Although, I dont think it will ever sell at £22K, or even much more over 15-16K.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Harley-Davidson-based-custom-by-Zodiac-/330894982412?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4d0ae0bd0c&nma=true&si=HrqhD1PX1IckwER299nc4S8Ops0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

A lot to spend on a bike imo. Especially when a bike like that isnt very versatile or doesnt get used much.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 01 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pronounced Akrapovič wrong.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 01 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
You pronounced Akrapovič wrong.

hahaha yeah, sorry about that. I made the video around a month ago maybe? My friend saw the video after and linked me to it.

My bad!
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 01 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Part of me was tempted with doing a chopper of some kind too, but I think that would be much harder to pull off.

I REALLY like this bike (hopefully you can see it). Although, I dont think it will ever sell at £22K, or even much more over 15-16K.
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It's got a rear tyre wider than most cars! U turns would require a dual carriageway at least haha Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 01 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you manage to get your full license before all the silly laws came into play?
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 01 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hah yeah, the turner wouldnt be as good as a sports bike. Ive never ridden a chopper before though. Not sure how id like the seating position.

You mean sillier laws were introduced? I have to do Mod 1 and 2. I had trouble getting up to speed in the speed trap because my varadero 125cc was quite slow at acceleration. So I had to basically redline 2nd gear in order to get the desired speed lol. I passed my main test in 2010 I think?
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 01 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to say, it's not a project to me, you just changed all the parts for 'uprated' ones which by the state of your chicken strips on the rear didn't make you corner lower or faster.

It is a nice bike, just nothing special.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 01 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granted I didnt change the bike completely, but I still had to weld a new swingarm on, which also made me have to create a custom sidestand and weld that on. Also changed the back tail completely and removed rearsets and front headlights.

Personally, I'm pretty happy with what I have done considering I was only 20 when I started this, it's my first project and I am not an engineer as a profession.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 02 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably not what you wanted to hear, but it's a nice tart-up.

I'd hardly call OEM Nissins with what appears to be chinese-sourced wavy discs "racing brakes" - I'd be expecting some ultra trick calipers from like PFM/ISR/Brembo grabbing some cast iron or carbon ceramic discs to be called "trick".

At least you didn't call it a streetfighter, although you mentioned that it was a "sportsbike" Rolling Eyes Wink. Commuter with a detuned superbike engine at best which has the hidden ability to be a competent wheelie machine, but out and out sportbike it is not.

Not a bad effort mind and that braced swingarm didn't look too bad either.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 02 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you for the comment. I couldnt agree more. I would like to be a bit more adventurous with my next bike project, but wanted to play it a bit safe with my first one.

I say sportbike because, although as stock it is a commuter bike, it also had a LOT of weight reduction over it and some performance upgrades; Power commander, tuning, exhausts, K&N air filter and quick shifter. It has similar 0-60 as the fireblade (as from what I gather the only difference in TUNED and DE tuned engines were top end power) and I had this bike up to 170mph (on the speedo) which if it is 10% out, would be around 155. Definitely something that could keep up on the track im sure, but not your generic sport/superbike. I wouldnt look at this and call it a commuter bike though, I would think of those more as Varaderos/Suzuki GS series, 125-500cc's.

If I did this bike again, yes there would be some stuff I would change.
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good but take it that's still stock suspension, I would have updated all round as stock was wallowy at best, bike is transformed with decent rear shock, updated front springs and mods. 900 was a good all rounder just needed decent cans, suspension and junk the footpeg hangers.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extremely tidy, job well done Thumbs Up

I've never ridden the 900 version but there was something very hooliganistic about the 600 - fitting the renthals really changes the whole look and feel of the bike imo.

Dont know how you managed to part with it Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys.

Just after I sold it, I suddenly had a LOT of interest in it. I was pretty cheeky and put it up for sale at £3995 originally, being optimistic and also because I didnt really want to sell it so quickly, so gave me some more time to play around with it. Just after I sold it, I had a flood of people calling me up, one guy said he lives in Christchurch, NZ and wanted to pay me £4500 for it and would pay for it all to be picked up from my house and shipped to him. Cant imagine the cost of that!

I havent ridden one, but I always had a soft spot for the triumph speed triple. The motorbike shop who helped me with some bits and that I ordered some bits from (friends of my dad) kept trying to sell me a MV Brutale saying that it was the ultimate naked bike and quickest 0-120mph bike on the road and because of the upright position and the ability to see over cars, it was a much quicker and more versatile type of bike than the superbikes.

I LOVE the panigale 1199 though.

Edit: as far as suspension went. I changed the rear shock and upgraded that. I was about to get inverted gold forks put on the front just before selling it, but was already have a lot of people complimenting it and offering to buy it, that I thought if I didnt plan on having it for very long, that I may as well sell it how it was.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL @

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My bike by Sinner aged 21 and 1/4


What does you age have to do with anything? I assumed the project had be going 21 years until I saw it was a Hornet.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I call bullshit on this, he is a lying PRICK!!! Why? Because I bought it off him. I still have all the emails detailing the problems with it Evil or Very Mad
I paid less than £3k for it NOT £3500 for a start!
I bought the bike unseen and in good faith and had it delivered to me (my fault I know) The bike condition was not as described, I still have all the emails detailing the problems with it Evil or Very Mad
I did a thread about it on the nest here.............
https://www.hondahornet.org.uk/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27167
If you cant be bothered to read the thread (it has pictures too Laughing )
I can tell you a sample of the BULLSHIT he said about it...........
He changed and "upgraded the rear shock" BULLSHIT it was a standard shock and front springs!
https://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/woodyeee/IMAG0763.jpg
"It had never been ridden in the rain and cleaned every week" was more BULLSHIT he told me.
It had a Translogic quickshifter......well, it only had the actuator and the only bit of wiring to it was about 100mm long!!!
https://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/woodyeee/Quickshifter.jpg
It had a power commander that was plugged into itself and not the ecu,
https://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/woodyeee/powercommander.jpg
I still don't know if the pc3 works yet as I cant be arsed to connect it up yet.
He says he welded a new swingarm on, pity he didn't weld up the hole in the bracing from the side stand too!
https://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/woodyeee/swingerwithhole.jpg
Its all in my thread in the link on the nest.
So just to sum up, Alex Holdsworth aka sinner is a BULLSHITTING LIAR.
I have emails from him and evidence to back it up if he would like to respond or sue me!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: 05:19 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodyeee wrote:
I call bullshit on this, he is a lying PRICK!!! Why? Because I bought it off him. I still have all the emails detailing the problems with it Evil or Very Mad
I paid less than £3k for it NOT £3500 for a start!
I bought the bike unseen and in good faith and had it delivered to me (my fault I know) The bike condition was not as described, I still have all the emails detailing the problems with it Evil or Very Mad
I did a thread about it on the nest here.............
https://www.hondahornet.org.uk/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27167
If you cant be bothered to read the thread (it has pictures too Laughing )
I can tell you a sample of the BULLSHIT he said about it...........
He changed and "upgraded the rear shock" BULLSHIT it was a standard shock and front springs!
https://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/woodyeee/IMAG0763.jpg
"It had never been ridden in the rain and cleaned every week" was more BULLSHIT he told me.
It had a Translogic quickshifter......well, it only had the actuator and the only bit of wiring to it was about 100mm long!!!
https://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/woodyeee/Quickshifter.jpg
It had a power commander that was plugged into itself and not the ecu,
https://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/woodyeee/powercommander.jpg
I still don't know if the pc3 works yet as I cant be arsed to connect it up yet.
He says he welded a new swingarm on, pity he didn't weld up the hole in the bracing from the side stand too!
https://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/woodyeee/swingerwithhole.jpg
Its all in my thread in the link on the nest.
So just to sum up, Alex Holdsworth aka sinner is a BULLSHITTING LIAR.
I have emails from him and evidence to back it up if he would like to respond or sue me!!!!!!!



Did find it odd that it had a red spring which is a standard showa Honda colour for the cb900. That's why I said that would be a good upgrade.

So what was the shock upgraded to? Question for original poster.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodyeee wrote:
I call bullshit on this, he is a lying PRICK!!! Why? Because I bought it off him. I still have all the emails detailing the problems with it Evil or Very Mad
I paid less than £3k for it NOT £3500 for a start!

Couldnt remember the exact price, had it up at 3995 and thought I sold it at 3500, although you wanted me to pay you money because I accidently described the quickshifter as a Dynojet one when it was infact a Translogic one (which IIRC was about £300 MORE than the dynojet one).

[quote]I bought the bike unseen and in good faith[quote] Your mistake, sorry. You should have come and seen the bike before hand. I genuinely sold it in good faith and didnt know any of the faults you mentioned, other than the quickshifter being a different make.
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and had it delivered to me (my fault I know) The bike condition was not as described, I still have all the emails detailing the problems with it Evil or Very Mad
I did a thread about it on the nest here.............
https://www.hondahornet.org.uk/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27167
If you cant be bothered to read the thread (it has pictures too Laughing )
I can tell you a sample of the BULLSHIT he said about it...........
He changed and "upgraded the rear shock" BULLSHIT it was a standard shock and front springs!

The girl that I bought the bike from told me that it was upgraded rear shock. It also came with another rear shock which the guys who helped me build this bike told me was the original rear shock, which I sold on ebay shortly after buying it. As someone who was new to riding bikes/engineering on bikes, why would I ever suspect otherwise? Two different people told me it was upgraded rear shock, inc who I bought it from. I had no reason to question it.

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"It had never been ridden in the rain and cleaned every week" was more BULLSHIT he told me.

It had never been ridden in the rain and it was cleaned every week. I cherished the bike when I had it. Not to say I hadnt been caught out in a couple of spells on long rides, but never intentionally went out in the wet with it. I had a dirtbike for that. When I cleaned the bike, I cleaned over all of the bodywork, chains, tyres and components. I didnt take the bike completely apart and clean it with a toothbrush every week, so would explain it being a bit dirty underneath it all. Please remember it is a 11 year old bike.

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It had a Translogic quickshifter......well, it only had the actuator and the only bit of wiring to it was about 100mm long!!!

Discussed as above. The wiring WAS connected properly when I sold the bike. If you had come down to view it before buying it, you would have seen that for yourself. I can only think that something happened to it when you used that dodgey bloke in a beat up lorry to come and pick it up who turned up 3.5 hours late.

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It had a power commander that was plugged into itself and not the ecu,
I still don't know if the pc3 works yet as I cant be arsed to connect it up yet.

I paid for the Power commander to be plugged in and tuned by HM Racing in Edenbridge. They should still have records of it. I never disconnected it as I found it too much of a pain to get to where it was due to the tail unit (im sure you will agree on how much of a pain it is). If it wasnt connected up properly, feel free to call them up and ask them about it, they will probably still have records of it. If they hadnt done it, then they had ripped me off too, by telling me they connected it when they hadnt. Twisted Evil

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Its all in my thread in the link on the nest.
So just to sum up, Alex Holdsworth aka sinner is a BULLSHITTING LIAR.
I have emails from him and evidence to back it up if he would like to respond or sue me!!!!!!!


I have said this before, but I am truly sorry you felt this way about the bike, but I genuinely sold it on good terms. As far as I knew after you called me It was only an issue with the quickshifter being the wrong make after looking at pictures. This is why I met you half way and offered you money back.

Obviously you still have a lot of anger/hatred towards the deal, but for what its worth, i'm really impressed with the work you have done on it. The exhausts scrubbed up really nicely and the respray really improved the overall look of it. The Tail unit also improved the look of it a lot and made it look much newer. It also makes the indicators much more visible which was always an issue. Sell the Rizoma indicators if you havent already because IIRC they were around £100+ .
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude,

I'm sorry to say this, but you just lost all credibility in my books! In our instances, irrespective of whether you're 21 or NOT, there's LOADS of younger forum members on here that have been fettling and tinkering away from a much earlier age and have been honest in the process. I won't name them, but if you scroll at the most-read treads in this sub-forum, you'll gain an appreciation!

"It was what the previous owner told me, honest"... well at the end of the day, when you buy a bike, you check prior to that what the standard specifications are and start quizzing why they're not standard! Unless there's a rack of receipts to say that work has been done to achieve xyz, I don't take word-of-mouth as proof.

It appears that you caused a lot of aggro for the unfortunate chap that sold it, but it looks like that he's done a pretty good job rectifying some "issues".

In some instances, forum members are often very happy that their former bike is making its rounds, but this should not be considered as being a good example!

Rant over.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sinner wrote:

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Well, you are either thick as shit to not realise that the quick shifter and dynojet kit made no difference or a dishonest cunt.

But you didn't even try to look ignorant and stupid gracefully.

Never ridden in the wet means that. Caught in a shower and then dried off is different.

You can't advertise as mint and never ridden in the wet then say, well it's 11 years old that's why it's rotten as fuck under the shiny tat I bolted on.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another gripe is overvalueing and over-speccing what components are on the bike. Ironically, it's why i've changed my subscription from bike to pb now!

And HM racing are good honest chaps, so i doubt you got ripped off by them! I'd know because I got Perry to sort out my suspension a few years ago to the tune of £700 - rebuilt and set up for b-roads... So don't try to name and shame! If HM racing were THAT bad, then the chaps at southern cross, whom I've dealt with for a good 8 years would NEVER turn me away for their custom and recommend their services instead!

You are trying to sound gracious in your ignorance and are attempting to blame other parties for cock-ups you probably weren't aware of or didn't notice! So how WERE those upgrades you mentioned? Did you notice any difference? The chap on the hornet forum DID in fact upgrade the brakes to 929 items! Now THOSE Nissins would be worthy of being brandished as sports brakes!

Again, I do apologise if it sounds like an intentional flame, but I simply can't let this go! If you're passionate about your project, you NEED TO BE CONSCIOUSLY AND FULLY AWARE OF EVERY QUIRK AND NUANCE, and NOT blame others!

Poor attitude lad!
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