|
|
| Author |
Message |
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :  
|
|
| Back to top |
   |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Drake |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Drake
World Chat Champion
Joined: 01 Oct 2010
Karma : 
|
 Posted: 20:43 - 30 Nov 2011  Post subject: |
 |
|
find somewhere that does the race seat
____________________
was: derbi senda, aprilia sx125, nsr250 mc16, cagiva mito, cb600 hornet now: mk1 bandit, KR1S, landrover series 3 light weight 2.5 petrol, 5speed box |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Drake |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Drake
World Chat Champion
Joined: 01 Oct 2010
Karma :
|
| Posted: 20:49 - 30 Nov 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
just thought that a single seat unit would solve it, someone would set in making a custom one for you but it would extremely costly
____________________
was: derbi senda, aprilia sx125, nsr250 mc16, cagiva mito, cb600 hornet now: mk1 bandit, KR1S, landrover series 3 light weight 2.5 petrol, 5speed box |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Blau Zedong |
This post is not being displayed because the poster is banned. Unhide this post / all posts.
|
Blau Zedong
Banned
Joined: 26 Jun 2006
Karma : 
|
Posted: 21:18 - 30 Nov 2011  Post subject: |
|
|
nice 
____________________
18:54:48 Rob Fzs: jews don't give away stuff for free
18:54:59 Rob Fzs: unless its their clothes/ hair/ golden teeth |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| st3v3 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
st3v3
Super Spammer
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Karma : 
|
| Posted: 21:33 - 30 Nov 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
I'd print the pics off and take them to my nearest bodyshops and ask about, see if the nice chaps can do something cheap..
Alternatively, buy the bits and do it yourself. Best way to learn and that way you get it exactly how you want it.
You could always ask here for advice 
____________________
Roger wrote: Women don't get damp for clingy puppies. Get some better happy pills, hit the gym & buy a medallion the size of a dinner plate. Job done |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :
|
| Posted: 22:01 - 30 Nov 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
cool.well ill nip to a few bodywork places i know but im starting to like the idea of some more diy.if i was to do it with fibreglass what could i use for a mould??could you point me in the direction of some help please 
____________________
red bull gives you wing sting!!!
current:aprilia rs 125
previous:honda c90,honda cm 125,yamaha xt 550,2004 suzuki drz 400.(all used for off road back in the day)and a piagio zip 50cc..oooossssshhhh |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| fatpies |
This post is not being displayed .
|
fatpies
World Chat Champion
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| neatbik |
This post is not being displayed .
|
neatbik
World Chat Champion
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Karma : 
|
| Posted: 22:14 - 30 Nov 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
A few years back there was a bloke making carbon fibre units for the RS125. He would make a batch and stick them on ebay - they sold very quickly.
Try doing a search on there and see if there's any available.
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| st3v3 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
st3v3
Super Spammer
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Teflon-Mike |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Teflon-Mike
tl;dr
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
Karma : 
|
| Posted: 03:12 - 01 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
| hadden wrote: | cool.well ill nip to a few bodywork places i know but im starting to like the idea of some more diy.if i was to do it with fibreglass what could i use for a mould??could you point me in the direction of some help please |
There's plenty of net resources for GRP molding.
Traditional method is to make a mule first. You make something 'like' what you want your final artifact to look like, in clay, or by modeling clay over a dummy. You then fast fire the clay; coat with a sealant, and polish.
Then you make a mould, by spraying your mule in a release agent, and laying up with plaster of paris; backing that with lint for strength to hold the shape, and mossibly a frame.
Then you drop the mule out of the set plaster of paris, leaving the empty moild you lay your glass into.
Time consuming and not that cheap for a one off part, by the time you have bought required quantities of artists clay and plaster of paris.
More ecconomically; you can make a one off tail-piece or other body section by glass modelling.
Take an off the shelf tail unit or body panel; then section it, and stretch it, slim it, use the contours and elements you want to, and then glue them back together, or fill in the gaps with new glass, on the back, and loaded resin on the front. Skim with loaded resin on the front and sculpt/sand to final shape, then paint.
____________________
My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
|
| Back to top |
 |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| st3v3 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
st3v3
Super Spammer
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Karma :
|
| Posted: 12:08 - 01 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
Do you make projects as long as the posts?  
Me, I'd get a pencil and draw the shapes I wanted onto MDF, glue/silicone the parts together to roughly resemble the part I was making.
Then when you got a cheapo wooden version of what you want I'd mix some fibreglass up from Halfrauds etc and mould that over the top. Get the shaping right, let it set, identify the weaker points and re-inforce them.
When it's set I'd tidy it up to look prettier and prep for painting.
I haven't done this before but logically that's what I'd do. This procedure may not be correct in fairing manufacture but I'd try it if I needed. 
____________________
Roger wrote: Women don't get damp for clingy puppies. Get some better happy pills, hit the gym & buy a medallion the size of a dinner plate. Job done |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Teflon-Mike |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Teflon-Mike
tl;dr
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
Karma :
|
| Posted: 12:25 - 02 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
| hadden wrote: | cheers teflon mike but that sounds more hassle then its worth |
Talking traditional laminate 'mould' making; yes, for a 'one off' it probably is. Simply answering your question.
| hadden wrote: | was thinking along the lines of some wire mess like a car grill sort of thing, molding the shape i wanted then just fibre glassing it up to bollocks so its nice and strong. |
The modelling method, building up over some sort of frame, and sanding to shape, then gelling over.... you suggest, can get you an artificat fairly quickly, BUT have to caution, tends to be fucking heavy!
If you are doing this purely as a styling excersize fine; but if idea is to lop the sub-frame and make the bike lighter?
GRP is only 'light' if used in very thin sections.
| hadden wrote: | if that dont work i will try the mdf moulds, and once its the sort of shape i like then comence on the sanding and spraying.thanks for all your help lads.really appreciate it |
Laying over a buck, is a half way between moulding and modelling, and you can end up not saving any effort, and still ending up with something rather heavy.
Cut'n'shut re-modelling of an existing part; taking an off the shelf tail piece, cutting up the sections, and gluing them back together, basically, to get the 'custom' shape you want, is more common and the usually more successful way about it, and can result in something not TOO heavy, as well as neat and tidy, for not too much effort.
Biggest boon to cut'n'shut is that where you have more intricate mouldings to make, like rebates for lamps, you can use the pre-formed section, and merely have to blens that into your new structure, rather than create from scratch.
____________________
My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Damon |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Damon
World Chat Champion
Joined: 24 Aug 2007
Karma :
|
| Posted: 20:30 - 02 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
shocking...
I really think you are better off picking a seat unit you like and building a subframe to fit it... then just trimming the seat unit to the tank.
But good luck anyway |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| st3v3 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
st3v3
Super Spammer
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Teflon-Mike |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Teflon-Mike
tl;dr
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
Karma :
|
| Posted: 15:59 - 03 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
I'm giving the kid Khama.
Its a kiddie-go-kwik bike, and to my sensinilities likely to be loads more important stuff he could better spend time on; like basic maintenance or getting tests sorted, BUT I have applied selective sight of old age to focus on the creativity... and he IS showing some imagination, and interest in 'real' craft technique, almost 'old-skool' customisation, not catalogue bling buying...
And he's on the right lines.. if not ideal ones....
Bit of hands on suck-it-and see learing, I am interested to see progress, success or failure..
Keep at it.
____________________
My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Teflon-Mike |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Teflon-Mike
tl;dr
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
Karma :
|
| Posted: 12:13 - 04 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
Looking promicing...
Hint: for internal ribs and stiffening stringers, you can form sections over expanded polystyrene sections that remain under the laminate, rather than leaving a cavity. Can make forming easier, and demand less glass, while 'fill' can also save hollow section forming resonance chamber, killing a bit of vibration/noise.
(But heed implied within compliment. Bikes don't have to look great to go; & a bike that goes well is much more joy than a bike that looks pretty while you are trying to fix it. Also; Count-Down to 3rd Directive means that there's just 55 weeks left to get tests 'done' for a full licence on a 125. Dont let 'creativity' get in the way of, or worse prevent wither of these)
____________________
My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| hadden |
This post is not being displayed .
|
hadden
Trackday Trickster
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Teflon-Mike |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Teflon-Mike
tl;dr
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
Karma :
|
| Posted: 14:33 - 05 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
| hadden wrote: | whats the 3rd directive???noob question i know but not heard of it?? |
3rd Directive is EU harmonisation eddict, to standardise European driving licence catagories and test procedures.
UK have to change licence laws & test procedures, January 2013 (55 weeks away!) to comply.
Whitehall are being a pain in the arse over releasing info & doing what they are supposed to, BUT we know laws have to change by Jan 13. AND what they 'require'.
Basically from 3rd Directive; you have to test on a bike of 'type' licence group entitles.
We currently have A1 licence group, attanined doing 'light bike' tests, for 125 only licence; testing on a bike under 120cc or not on DSA approval list. This will remain, and only likely change is that you may have to test on full 125 as current 'standard bike' to get it.
We currently have 'A-Restricted', group, which is full A-Group (motorcycle entitlement) no capacity limit, but two year 'probationary' power restriction to 33bhp, tested for on bike 120-125cc and on approval list.
We have full A group, which is unrestricted motorcycle licence entitlement, no restrictions, achieved holding A-Restrict two years, or by testing via DAS if over 21.
From 1013; you will have A2 group, which will replace A-Restrict. Requires testing DAS 'style' on a 400+cc bike you will NOT be able to ride unsupervised on the road, before passing. There is a query whether you will have to have passed A1 first or have held it any length of time to pre-qualify for A2 testing.
DAS age also goes from 21 to 24.
There is a query over L-Plate laws, which 3rd Dir do NOT permit; we may loose them, so possible you wont be able to ride any bike unsupervised before passing a test; so it will be like cars; you will have to take lessons with an instructor, and only be able to ride solo when you have passed tests.
Assurances were offered that we would retain unsupervised L-Plating, but what worth is a politicians promice?
Either way; at 17, if you want a licence you will only be able to take A1 group for a 14.5bhp 125.
Depending on qualifying criteria for A2, you MAY be able to do A2 test, training DAS style on a 500, and testing on it. But the power limit on that will be permenant; you wont get a full A after a certain period. A2 entitlement will restrict you to A2 qualifying bikes until you repeat tests on a Big-Bike DAS style. Paying training and test fees over. And you will have had to have held A2 two years or have reached 24 years old to repeat.
The bug-bear though is whatever the laws may be; Schools are not generally tooling up to cater for A2 candidates. Already ther 'money' is in DAS training where high fees can be charged for intensive courses. not many do much seriouse 125 training, and those that do tend to do it on the back of an existing 125 'fleet' for CBT courses. They would have to buy in another 'fleet' of a" bikes to offerer A2 courses that would be as expensive as DAS courses, for only half a licence and only of interest to 17-24 year olds, who typoically dont spend money on training for 125, and wait until 21 to do DAS, so a limited market.
So; if you fall in the catch-bracket; if you dont get licence sorted THIS YEAR on a 125, its going to be hard and expensive to get a licence, and like as not, if you cant get A2 courses, stuff you on a 125 until you are 24
____________________
My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 60 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
 |
|
|
Help & FAQs
Search BCF
Members
Groups
Events Calendar
rating
rating