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PostPosted: 16:22 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Muscle building regime Reply with quote

I've been working out for a while now, I've been doing various exercises for about 6 weeks now, but I need to sort out some sort of regime to work towards.

I've got a bar bell, and I can quite comfortably press 60kg to 5 reps. Not a lot more reps, and not a lot more weight.

I've got a chin up bar, a lat pull down, an inclined bench and a set of dumbells.

I can already see the difference in my chest, and to some extent my shoulders from bench pressing (what I've been doing predominantly).
But I need a bit of a program to work towards.

Anyone keen on this sort of stuff that can suggest excercises, and number of reps, and frequency etc?

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PostPosted: 16:29 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stick your bar bell across your shoulders and you also have squats and variants, lunges, shoulder press and front raises.

think outside the box with your equipment... you can pretty much work every it of your body with just a set of dumbbells...
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To build muscle lift as heavy as you can, eat till the cows come home and rest, rest, rest.

Warm up with something you can do easily enough, then do a 5,3,2 max set, where you do 5 reps at lets say 50kg, 3 at 60kg, 2 at 70kg and then 80kg for a 1 rep max, the aim is muscle fatigue as that is when they are breaking down ready for the next step (i.e. food + rest to rebuild)

Then burn the fat off in spring with more cardio and lighter weights.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you have got the muscle you will need to keep it up for ever, otherwise you will turn into me. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

vee wrote:
To build muscle lift as heavy as you can, eat till the cows come home and rest, rest, rest.

Warm up with something you can do easily enough, then do a 5,3,2 max set, where you do 5 reps at lets say 50kg, 3 at 60kg, 2 at 70kg and then 80kg for a 1 rep max, the aim is muscle fatigue as that is when they are breaking down ready for the next step (i.e. food + rest to rebuild)

Then burn the fat off in spring with more cardio and lighter weights.


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PostPosted: 17:55 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

the site itself is very preachy, but the routine from stronglifts.com helped me take my squat from about 40kg to 200 in the space of about 6 months. (at a 180 bodyweight, so not super duper amazing, but pretty good). Probably put on about 7-8kg whilst loosing 2-3 inches off my waist.

Pretty much any combination of lifting lots of weight and eating lots will work though. Make sure you don't neglect your lower body, see lots of people with spindly legs and huge biceps that to be frank look pretty bloody stupud
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2767/4377531687_391f325972.jpg

Eating a fuck load will let you gain muscle, but might also gain you some flab too. I see plenty of guys in the weights room with massive guns and a huge gut Laughing
Losing weight makes your muscles much more defined and makes you look a lot more muscular as a result.
So cut down on food and drink a butt load of protein shakes.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

vee wrote:
To build muscle lift as heavy as you can, eat till the cows come home and rest, rest, rest.

Warm up with something you can do easily enough, then do a 5,3,2 max set, where you do 5 reps at lets say 50kg, 3 at 60kg, 2 at 70kg and then 80kg for a 1 rep max, the aim is muscle fatigue as that is when they are breaking down ready for the next step (i.e. food + rest to rebuild)

Then burn the fat off in spring with more cardio and lighter weights.


I like it. I've been on the protein for about as long as I've been training, and I have a decent appetite Wink

I just need some pointers on which exercises for which muscle groups too. I.e Bench pressing for chest, chin ups for biceps, my chip up bar as got the right angled holds for tricep chin ups too.

I have been using a dumbell for sideways lifts to work my shoulders. Not really done anything with my legs so far though

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PostPosted: 23:52 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monday -

Squats 5 x 5

Flat bench press 5 x 5

Flat bench flys 5 x 5

Calf raises 3 x 8

incline dumbell bench press 3 x 8

Press ups till fail

Wednesday -

Deadlifts - 5 x 5

Chin ups 5 x 5 (depending on how many you can do already... just add weight on a belt)

Pull ups - 5 x 5

Lateral pull downs - 5 x 5

Seated dumbell bicep curls - 3 x 8

Concentration curls - 3 x 8

Seated Hammer curls - 3 x 8

Friday -

Squats - 5 x 5

Clean and Jerks - 5 x 5

Dumbell Shoulder Press / Arnold Press - 5 x 5

Tricep Extensions - 3 x 8

Skull Crushers - 3 x 8

Tricep pull downs (Using pull down machine) - 3 x 8


Eat as much protein as possible. 2 - 3 protein shakes a day. Try to cut back on fat as much as possible.

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PostPosted: 23:56 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much that but drop the bicep/tricep stuff, the flys and only do 1x5 deads (but heavier obv).

A lot will depend on a) what you want (bigger vs. stronger) and how much weight you have available.
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PostPosted: 07:10 - 10 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, I mentioned this to Ghost before, maybe some of you can clear this up...

I get the gist of say;
Mon: leg & shoulders, Wed: Chest & Tri, Friday: Back & Bi...

However, when do you put in ab/core/neck/wrist etc...

And also, separating back and chest exercises is obvious... but separating chest/back from shoulder is difficult.

Ack, I just go there for /some/ exercise, but still.

Oh, as a home routine though, I'd really recommend the 100 pressups in 7 weeks thing. Gives you a bit more incentive to hit the press-ups hard, and when you complete it you can do different pressups. I'm on my third time working through it, and now I'm doing them one footed with a 40cm elevation... I'm on week 7 this week... my shoulders hate me.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 10 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compound exercises are best, squats, deadlifts, clean & press etc.

Like has been said don't neglect the legs, the more you build the legs the more you build on top, pistol squats are great if you can do them.

Don't worry too much about isolation exercises, compound lifts etc are the way forward, if your after some strength go use the kettlebells, build up to the heavy ones, it doesn't take long before you can clean + overhead jerk/press 50kg plus with one hand.

Edit: with these kinds of exercises you don't really need isolation movements as they work the core enough anyway.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 10 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, here's the 7 weeks to 100 press ups set list.

Just do whatever type of press up from a fresh start to see how many you can do, then choose the correct program. If you're half good at presents you'll be on advanced 2... 26+ from fresh Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only problem with butterob method is that you need some hefty weights to make progress, with the compound exercises i.e. deadlifts, squats. i can almost guarantee within 1-2 weeks, you will be lifting at least another 10-15kg simply because your technique and form will have improved dramatically. if you plan on lifting weights seriously (i.e. regular routine for a few years) as a hobby, invest in some serious weights and an Olympic bar and you will see the best gains.
if however, you don't want to spend any more and have a limited set of weights then stick with the isolation exercises. workouts will be longer due to increased number of exercises to get the same workout as with compound exercises.

diet is also very important. cut out the shit. processed foods and sauces etc. soda drinks like pepsi/coke etc are also no good if you want to stay lean. they have high levels of fructose (i think it's fructose) which cannot be broken down easily and while a little is good (which you can get from fruit) a lot is simply stored or discarded.

i wouldn't cut out the fat, but you need to make sure you are eating the right type of fat, i.e. fats from nuts/olive oil etc that have high amounts of nutrition like omega 3 and 6. fruit and veg is also important. the vitamins and minerals will make sure that your body can then make use of all the protein and carbohydrate that you will need to feed it it gain that muscle.
last but not least, lifting all them weights requires a lot of energy. high carb food such as brown bread (not white), pasta, wholegrain foods to make sure your muscles have enough energy to lift them heavy weights.
also make sure you eat regularly, maybe 5 smaller meals a day instead of 3 big meals that leave you bloated and feeling sleepy.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squats are key

Your bench, shoulder press, deadlifts and bent over rows are key

In fact just them on their own will make every muscle in your body sore

Could do curls for biceps, skull crushers/incline bench press for triceps, shrugs for shoulders/traps, crunches and leg raises for abs and you are pretty much rocking it

Gaining muscle is more about what you eat/put in your body than training
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get this...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Arnold-Education-Bodybuilder-Schwarzenegger/dp/0722105711/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326485128&sr=1-2


It's got the basics of body-building and nutrition, plus it will be good inspiration.

As has been said by some....

basic compound exercises are the way to build mass, as for nutrition.... high protein, medium carbs and low fat diet, 5 or 6 small meals a day, 1.5 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass per day is a good starting point, also something that is overlooked is rest...muscles don't grow in the gym, they grow while they are resting and repairing...if you overtrain a muscle group it will reduce in size.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

squats may be key, but imo one of the most dangerous exercises you can do. there are many variations. the barbell squat, which is perhaps the most known involves you loading a lot of weight on top of your spine when the top part of your spine is not designed to carry such heavy loads. personally i would recommend dumbbell squats as the load is carried by the lower back and your arms.
whatever you do though, start off with very light weights/barbell/dumbell only and work out your range of motion. if you start lifting heavy weights too far you may end up working against your own bones/ligaments etc
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

karenLamb wrote:
well as my point of view,
Building lean muscle mass requires dedication, discipline, consistent workouts and proper nutrition. Building muscle also takes time. "Advanced Fitness and Exercise Prescription" notes that a muscle must be exercised at 60 to 80 percent of its capacity several times a week to increase in size and strength.


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PostPosted: 20:48 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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squats may be key, but imo one of the most dangerous exercises you can do. there are many variations. the barbell squat, which is perhaps the most known involves you loading a lot of weight on top of your spine when the top part of your spine is not designed to carry such heavy loads. personally i would recommend dumbbell squats as the load is carried by the lower back and your arms.
whatever you do though, start off with very light weights/barbell/dumbell only and work out your range of motion. if you start lifting heavy weights too far you may end up working against your own bones/ligaments etc


Bollocks. Properly done barbell squats are one of the safest exercises you can do, dumbell squats will significantly reduce the weight you can lift (try finding, let alone keeping hold of 50+kg dumbells).

Proper form is key, and a full rom, (i.e. knees behind toes, ass below parallel.)
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:
the_godfather wrote:
squats may be key, but imo one of the most dangerous exercises you can do. there are many variations. the barbell squat, which is perhaps the most known involves you loading a lot of weight on top of your spine when the top part of your spine is not designed to carry such heavy loads. personally i would recommend dumbbell squats as the load is carried by the lower back and your arms.
whatever you do though, start off with very light weights/barbell/dumbell only and work out your range of motion. if you start lifting heavy weights too far you may end up working against your own bones/ligaments etc


Bollocks. Properly done barbell squats are one of the safest exercises you can do, dumbell squats will significantly reduce the weight you can lift (try finding, let alone keeping hold of 50+kg dumbells).

Proper form is key, and a full rom, (i.e. knees behind toes, ass below parallel.)


I read that knees behind toes wasn't an issue. The general response seemed to be that it's fine to go slightly over.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:
Bollocks. Properly done barbell squats are one of the safest exercises you can do, dumbell squats will significantly reduce the weight you can lift (try finding, let alone keeping hold of 50+kg dumbells).

Proper form is key, and a full rom, (i.e. knees behind toes, ass below parallel.)


can you explain why you think they are safe?
another reason why i don't like barbell squats is because they are not specific to anything. can you remember the last time you carried a large weight on the top of your back/shoulders. i know i can't
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_godfather wrote:
herulach wrote:
Bollocks. Properly done barbell squats are one of the safest exercises you can do, dumbell squats will significantly reduce the weight you can lift (try finding, let alone keeping hold of 50+kg dumbells).

Proper form is key, and a full rom, (i.e. knees behind toes, ass below parallel.)


can you explain why you think they are safe?
another reason why i don't like barbell squats is because they are not specific to anything. can you remember the last time you carried a large weight on the top of your back/shoulders. i know i can't


I can remember the last time I did heavy lifting at work bent at the knees and picked it up like it was nothing whilst the other guys had 2 or 3 of them struggling to get it off the ground..... If you are feeling it more on your back then anywhere else you're doing it wrong, check your form, the bar just sits on top of my shoulders/back, I never feel any strain there, maybe in my lower back sometimes, but again thats my bad form rearing it's ugly head, your quads and glutes should be taking the impact, nothing else really, and in my opinion they really are the king of exercises, I have a love/hate relationship with them, really need to motivate myself to do them, but after a few weeks I'm always glad I did.

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PostPosted: 10:55 - 18 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_godfather wrote:
squats may be key, but imo one of the most dangerous exercises you can do. there are many variations. the barbell squat, which is perhaps the most known involves you loading a lot of weight on top of your spine when the top part of your spine is not designed to carry such heavy loads. personally i would recommend dumbbell squats as the load is carried by the lower back and your arms.


Squats, like anything else, are perfectly safe if you do them correctly. You know why it feels weird or dangerous to have that much weight 'on top of you spine'? You have the bar in the wrong position, too high resting on bone. Its why you see people using foam pads on the barbell.

The reason the bar is placed on the upper back is because it can quite easily and safely support very large amounts of weight (for most, far more than they will ever squat decently). The part of your body which is most at risk in a squat is the lower back, having the bar too high up on your back and using a pad to stop any 'damage' increases the risk.

Secondly the weight on your back in the correct position will put you in perfect balance when you're moving the load correctly, a very efficient way to get very strong.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 18 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr jamez wrote:
Its why you see people using foam pads on the barbell.


Thanks for that, I have never understood why people use it, I tried it a few times to see what the fuss was about and it always felt wrong, and not safe at all for that matter, so always went straight back to the bare bar.

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